Tony Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Then all that Sheffield will need is an open minded council and an economy to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinty Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Originally posted by t020 That explains it! I was sure in my old Geography lessons we had books stating Leeds was smaller than Sheffield in population terms, so was surprised that all of a sudden Leeds had rocketed up to over 700,000 people. Surely how Leeds now measure their population is cheating! No probs. All we do is use the S postcode to do the same. I'd like to bet that would give us over 1 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 The problem with determing Manchester's position in the list, and therefore Sheffield's, is whether you consider only the area within Manchester's local authority boundary or do you attempt to determine those areas which, though outside of the council boundary, are clearly part of "the city". For example Failsworth lies only a couple of mile north of the city centre and feels like part of "the city" but is controlled from up the road in Oldham. Large parts of the Metropolitan Boroughs of Bury, Stockport, Tameside and Trafford are also geographically and emotionally part of "the city". The other key consideration is Salford. Manchester and Salford can be seen as twin cities which together constitute one greater city. Of course Salfordian's wouldn't be pleased being called Mancunians. What to name "the city" is the problem. Greater Manchester is unsuitable as it includes Bolton and Wigan which are definitely not part of "the city". But "the city" is more than just Manchester though that name is probably the best to use. Anyway using an extremely scientific method I took the figures from http://millenniumindicators.un.org/unsd/citydata/default.asp?contid=5&cid=826 and added together the populations of Manchester and Salford and to that total added 1/5 of the populations of Bury, Stockport, Tameside and Trafford which gives a rough figure of about 840,000 people. That would probably make the order as: London, Birmingham, Manchester/Salford, Leeds, Sheffield g (a Mancunian resident in Sheffield) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickmiles85 Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 One thing I dont really understand why it ever happened was to link all the boroughs around manchester into greater manchester. quite rightly said by "grep". Wigan is classed as Greater manchester but its flippin miles from the place! its like saying Barnsley is part of Sheffield when it evidently isnt! what is so special about manchester that made it have the greater attached to its name? Birmingham is far greater/bigger than Manchester? so why wasnt the west midlands named Greater Birmingham when the previous counties were broken up in the 1970s? really there is only one city and its surrounding areas should be called greater and that is london. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 Is there any special reason that my relevant posts and others responses have been deleted fropm this thread?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Originally posted by rickmiles85 One thing I dont really understand why it ever happened was to link all the boroughs around manchester into greater manchester. quite rightly said by "grep". Wigan is classed as Greater manchester but its flippin miles from the place! its like saying Barnsley is part of Sheffield when it evidently isnt! what is so special about manchester that made it have the greater attached to its name? Birmingham is far greater/bigger than Manchester? so why wasnt the west midlands named Greater Birmingham when the previous counties were broken up in the 1970s? really there is only one city and its surrounding areas should be called greater and that is london. If Greater Manchester had instead been named South Lancashire and Lancashire named North Lancashire then there would have been many happier Lancastrians many of whom feel they have been deprived of their county. Of course the problem is that Greater Manchester includes bits of what was Cheshire (ie Stockport). g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bowler Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 I think the dispute is between Leeds & Sheffield and depending on your point of view you can take population or area and this is where the misunderstanding lies, so there may not be an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheffieldSean Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Greater Manchester came into existence as a result of the 1974 local Government changes under the Maud Report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Cooper Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 In view of the fact that Leeds (says he spitting) is currently one of the UK boom towns and Sheffield has been in economic decline for the last 3 decades, it would come as no surprise to find that it was now bigger than Sheffield by almost any measure other than poverty. I think that you'll find that Greater Manchester was one of Heseltine's Metropolitan County Councils, along with South Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, Merseyside, Tyne and Wear, West Midlands etc, so you'd expect it to be considerably larger than either Sheffield or Leeds. Its all a bit academic, because it won't be long before the likes of Milton Keynes, Swindon and Reading(!) overtake us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Oh please, not this old chestnut AGAIN Surely we are into our twentieth merged thread again When will you people learn? Sheffield IS the best city in the world It DOES have the best surrounding countryside It DOES have a great cultural quarter and a wonderful winter garden The residents ARE massively more attractive, and now we know, more intelligent BUT we dont register on many scales and that is a GOOD thing, is it not? Otherwise we would be over run with wannabees. Let it go, celebrate quietly and dont TELL anyone, otherwise they will all want to be here and then it will be crap B xxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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