Cyclone Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Its not discrimination, its common sense if men cant behave on trains There you go again, unable to stop generalising against half the population. You can't see the comparison with terrorists though. Or refuse to see it. ---------- Post added 28-08-2015 at 20:57 ---------- Men are comitting millions of sex crimes, women are scared...solutions proposed...end of story. Random number pulled out of a hat? ---------- Post added 28-08-2015 at 20:58 ---------- true humbers are hard to come by. Vast majority are not reported. im inclined to believe its in the millions of incidents. So you've made a number up, and when I asked for evidence in post #321 you avoided providing any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carosio Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Men are comitting millions of sex crimes, women are scared...solutions proposed...end of story. Having the carriage that you advocate could be a good thing but only if it is compulsory for women/girls to use it- no options to travel in a mixed one which in any case would be pointless, if not downright dangerous, wouldn't it? The men's carriages would then be free of nattering, nagging women and perhaps screaming kids- bliss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Having the carriage that you advocate could be a good thing I agree. It could be a good thing. ---------- Post added 29-08-2015 at 01:00 ---------- You can't see the comparison with terrorists though. Another one obsessed with terrorists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexAtkin Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) Having the carriage that you advocate could be a good thing but only if it is compulsory for women/girls to use it- no options to travel in a mixed one which in any case would be pointless, if not downright dangerous, wouldn't it? The men's carriages would then be free of nattering, nagging women and perhaps screaming kids- bliss! What age would you determine a female must go in the women carriage and what about couples traveling together, especially with kids? What happens if the womens carriage is full, are they forced to miss the train or forced into the normal carriages, negating the whole point? What if the women carriage is empty and the rest is full? That would be insanely stupid for the train companies to be paying to pull a whole carriage with nobody in it AND denying men entry to the train, claiming its full. It would also have to be the last or first carriage, as people often get on the train accidentally at the wrong end and walk through the other carriages to find their seat, plus the need to be able to access the toilets. What about trains with a food carriage, women would still have to walk through the normal carriages to get to it or at least mix with men IN that carriage? Then we will start running into the gender ambiguity issues, where someone who "looks" male enter the womens carriage and has to argue their legal rights. I just can't see it being practical. Edited August 29, 2015 by AlexAtkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 By comparing other scenarios where a minority's actions should not cause discrimination against the wider group to which they belong. Leaving aside the practicalities for a minute.. How are men being discriminated against with an optional female only carriage? The carriage could be entirely optional. So its not forced segregation or discrimination. Im assuming you use a male toilet in public places and have no issue with that. Or do you get jealous of female toilet facilities? ---------- Post added 29-08-2015 at 07:36 ---------- Having the carriage that you advocate could be a good thing but only if it is compulsory for women/girls to use it- no options to travel in a mixed one which in any case would be pointless, if not downright dangerous, wouldn't it? The men's carriages would then be free of nattering, nagging women and perhaps screaming kids- bliss! Make it optional. For women who would prefer to travel with their own gender. especially good on busy trains and tube, where a lot of these incidents take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carosio Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 What age would you determine a female must go in the women carriage and what about couples traveling together, especially with kids? What happens if the womens carriage is full, are they forced to miss the train or forced into the normal carriages, negating the whole point? What if the women carriage is empty and the rest is full? That would be insanely stupid for the train companies to be paying to pull a whole carriage with nobody in it AND denying men entry to the train, claiming its full. It would also have to be the last or first carriage, as people often get on the train accidentally at the wrong end and walk through the other carriages to find their seat, plus the need to be able to access the toilets. What about trains with a food carriage, women would still have to walk through the normal carriages to get to it or at least mix with men IN that carriage? Then we will start running into the gender ambiguity issues, where someone who "looks" male enter the womens carriage and has to argue their legal rights. I just can't see it being practical. You've now nearly persuaded me that it might not be a good idea for having women's -only carriages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiseOwl182 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Leaving aside the practicalities for a minute.. How are men being discriminated against with an optional female only carriage? The carriage could be entirely optional. So its not forced segregation or discrimination. Im assuming you use a male toilet in public places and have no issue with that. Or do you get jealous of female toilet facilities?. Because there'd be a carriage I couldn't go in just because I was born a certain gender. There'd be no equivalent for men only. The implication is women should have preferential treatment, men can't be trusted, and authorities can't control crime. If there was an optional non-Muslim carriage, would you class that as discrimination? Or optional non-black carriages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Arthur Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 Leaving aside the practicalities for a minute.. You and Jeremy are like two peas in a pod. You ARE Jeremy Corbyn and I claim my £200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Another one obsessed with terrorists... No, just trying to make you see a comparison, any comparison, but you refuse to think about them because you'll realise how stupid the idea is. ---------- Post added 29-08-2015 at 09:01 ---------- Still no evidence forthcoming though for the numbers you've made up... ---------- Post added 29-08-2015 at 09:03 ---------- Leaving aside the practicalities for a minute.. How are men being discriminated against with an optional female only carriage? The carriage could be entirely optional. So its not forced segregation or discrimination. Im assuming you use a male toilet in public places and have no issue with that. Or do you get jealous of female toilet facilities? Even you know that this is faulty logic. Can you identify anywhere that has mixed toilets and women only toilets, but no toilets exclusively for me? No, of course you can't. ---------- Post added 29-08-2015 at 09:03 ---------- You've now nearly persuaded me that it might not be a good idea for having women's -only carriages. Is that ignoring the misogynistic suggestion that they should HAVE to travel in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Because there'd be a carriage I couldn't go in just because I was born a certain gender. There'd be no equivalent for men only. The implication is women should have preferential treatment, men can't be trusted, and authorities can't control crime. If there was an optional non-Muslim carriage, would you class that as discrimination? Or optional non-black carriages? Why do you WANT to go in a female only carriage? And if prevented from doing so why would you feel discriminated against? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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