Obelix Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Many people have the same faith as I do , to us the rules are there for our protection and are'nt silly at all , the bible tells to love one another this is Jesus's greatest commandment When you have to go to the lavatory you do then I presume travel a bowshot outside the city walls, dig a hole with a wooden paddle and relieve yourself into it? What about clothes of two different threads? Or polycotton is banned? What about sowing peas and barley next to each other? The "rules" are ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Remember he was Gods own son , For God so loved the world he sent his only begotten son to die so who ever believes in him shall have eternal life.What a terrible painful way to do it, why the need for so much sacrifice and pain? Seems kind of a silly plan for an omnipotent being. Wouldn't it be much nicer if it was just 'For god so loved the world that he lets whoever believe in him have eternal life' and just skip out the horrible part with all the torture and whatnot? why should we trust the Bible ? 1, it was the first book ever printed 2 its been translated in to many languages it contains over 750,000 words and would take 70 hours to read out aloud . It was written by at least 40 authors from Kings to fishermen , over a period of 1, 500 years on 3 continents How on earth are any of those things reasons to believe it? All these scriptures are inspired by God which mean breathed out by God .That's the first actual reason you've given, but unfortunately it's completely baseless. Now from some of the history i understand , the archaeology has backed up and done nothing but confirm historical accuracy , This in its self means we all should give this serious considerationGive some examples please. I do not believe you. The Bible contains facts which have happened and prophesies for the future some of which we have already seen and some still to come .Ooh biblical prophesies that have come true! That's exiting! Go on tell us! Many details in to the life and death of Jesus we written down accurately hundreds of years before his birthOr perhaps the story of Jesus was molded when written down to fit prophecies. Could you perhaps select a couple of these predictions that are the most impressive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Would you die for anyone ? Jesus died for my sins what human would do that deliberate act of selflessness. Jesus died so I can go to heaven So Jesus died before you were born, for your 'sins' that were defined by your god? You might need to run that past me again Edited September 1, 2015 by SnailyBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Also what happened to all those people before Jesus was born. God just condemened them to suffering in hell with no way out? What a *******! Why should anyone follow him etc etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrNorm Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) But who decides morality? I think we all have a say in what we find to be acceptable behaviour. We're not talking about the law ... and I'm not defending the bible but it does have a place in the debate. I've a hunch people will still be reading the bible long after the last SF post is written. ---------- Post added 01-09-2015 at 18:02 ---------- ... a few things ... Hi RB, It's going back a way now in this thread, but if you still have the will to engage, the point I was making was that a way of life is not just the result of any academic course of study. You have to engage more than your intellect. A way of life is not something you learn, discuss and get a qualification, it's something you practice. You asked "What is the link you make between your lack of faith in schools and the police helicopter's presence?" I'm not saying I have a lack of faith in schools as a general point, just that it takes more than any number of school lessons to develop a sense of morality. You have to belong to some community that you care about that isn't afraid to lay down a standard of expected behaviour. You also seem to have a lot more faith than I do in everybody developing their own morality, without the assistance of an authority. I guess that laissez-faire "let the kids work it out for themselves" might work in your part of town, but it sure isn't working in mine, as evidenced by the number of times the police helicopter is hovering nearby. (I live a few hundred yards from where the Pizza delivery guy was murdered not so long ago) :hippy: :peace bro: :chill: Edited September 1, 2015 by DrNorm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Hi RB, It's going back a way now in this thread, but if you still have the will to engage, the point I was making was that a way of life is not just the result of any academic course of study. You have to engage more than your intellect. what makes you think that pupils wouldn't engage more than their intellect? A way of life is not something you learn, discuss and get a qualification, it's something you practice. I'm pretty sure I used to practice maths and other subjects in and out of school. I still practice maths and English most days even in my adulthood. I learned it all in school. You asked "What is the link you make between your lack of faith in schools and the police helicopter's presence?" I'm not saying I have a lack of faith in schools as a general point, just that it takes more than any number of school lessons to develop a sense of morality. You have to belong to some community that you care about that isn't afraid to lay down a standard of expected behaviour. it's almost like you're describing a school You also seem to have a lot more faith than I do in everybody developing their own morality, without the assistance of an authority.I'm pretty sure my suggestion was the opposite of that I guess that laissez-faire "let the kids work it out for themselves" might work in your part of town, but it sure isn't working in mine, as evidenced by the number of times the police helicopter is hovering nearby. (I live a few hundred yards from where the Pizza delivery guy was murdered not so long ago) :hippy: :peace bro: :chill: I'm really not sure where you've got this notion from. I haven't suggested or implied that people should be left to work it out for themselves. I'm curious as to what you think is so special about a how a Church works. Most services, in general, consist of an authority figure lecturing/teaching/explaining to an assembly of members/participants who listen. Outside of this service it's up to the people to take away what they've learnt and put it into practice. It's very much like a school class lesson, except the source material is usually more credible in schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrNorm Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I'm curious as to what you think is so special about a how a Church works. Maybe I've misunderstood, you, but you've certainly misunderstood me if you think I'm supporting the church in this role (although I am less "anti" than most and see good as well as the very public bad). .. and I know you have no time for Alain de Botton but his book "Religion for Atheists" is one I have a lot of time for (very well thought through!) ... as well as From Jesus to Christ which is more objective than you might imagine and may even support your own atheist views (well, just maybe). The Professors of Theology interviewed are not apologists for the Church. The subtext appears to be "now how the heck did that happen?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Maybe I've misunderstood, you, but you've certainly misunderstood me if you think I'm supporting the church in this role (although I am less "anti" than most and see good as well as the very public bad). I haven't assumed that you support the Church, are you even reading my posts? .. and I know you have no time for Alain de Botton I think his idea of 'atheism 2.0' is a redundant one, that doesn't mean I have no time for him. So do you have any actual explainable objection to morals being taught in school, through logic, reason, human rights and humanitarianism ? It certainly seems to match your definition of a moralistic community and it works in a similar way to Church services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Religion has no place in society or being taught in schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Religion has no place in society or being taught in schools. Is this in response to someone's post? It doesn't appear to be anything to do with the OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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