The Bible is a awesome Book even if you dont believe its Gods word

[Blackbeard]

No issue with private practice

 

Why does the church of england have subsidising from the state?

Why are mosques the breeding ground for terrorists?

 

Clearly religion is divisive.

 

What subsidies do the CoE get from the state?

[RootsBooster]

I wasn't belittling amoral communities - merely making the distinction between amoral and moral communities.

I didn't assume that you were belittling them

Amoral communities are in the ascendancy and moral communities are in the decline.

 

Whereas we may be reasonably confident there aren't many SFers who take advantage of a liberal approach to morals, I do wonder whether society will eventually suffer without a moral framework ... and I do know that atheists won't accept the bible as that moral framework. However, there isn't a moral guide for non-theists that has come close to taking its place. Aesop's Fables may be a small beginning, and no matter how "pure" they are, they will never have the clout of a book that's been around for centuries. In any case, they perhaps need addition and revision to remain relevant.

When you say that moral communities are in decline and amoral communities are ascending, it seems that what you're actually referring to is that the Church (rather than any other moral communities) is in decline and things such as discussion forums, gyms, local pubs etc (communities that have no collective moral stance, simply because there is no relevance for such a thing) are on the incline.

I'm not really sure what your point is, or the relevance of amoral communities. Originally you said people were being 'seduced' into amoral communities, which kinda sounds like it's a bad thing.

 

I have to point out at this point that to me, an amoral community would mean a community of people without morals, which would change the argument completely.

Perhaps we could have a fable to highlight the immorality of rape and slavery for flamingjimmy?

It worries me a little that some people think we need to rely on a book to tell us what's right and wrong. If you really do need some texts to confirm that rape and slavery is wrong, the 'law' might be a good place to look.

[tinfoilhat]

And where did said religious organisation get their money from?

 

I don't know. Do you know?

[RootsBooster]

Can you teach an adult morals? Isn't it a bit late by then?

 

Of course you can, people can and do change all the time.

 

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I wasn't suggesting otherwise, but as [you see]/[it is] a shortcoming of the bible that it lacks any teaching on the immorality of rape and slavery, then any replacement [Aesop's Fables] could be improved by the inclusion of such teachings. Or maybe we can sit back and leave everything to the government?

 

... and society would be better off with a replacement ... ? Nobody inherits their moral code in their genes, we all learn our morals from somewhere, and like it or not, the source of much of our modern moral code remains ancient holy scriptures.

 

The biggest moral flaw in the Bible isn't that it doesn't cover all morals, it's that it actually condones some immorality.

[tinfoilhat]

Of course you can, people can and do change all the time.

 

Really? I suppose you can be a reformed thief or murderer but I'm not sure a book will change either.

 

Mind you, and I'm taking apart my own argument, a good number of reformed criminals found God on the inside and come out better people so maybe there is a place for the bible. Or indeed aesops fables.

[Annie Bynnol]

I think there are a lot of people think the way you do and with very understandable reasons. This is why

we take the time to run informed factual seminars

(see the link below ) we don't ask anybody to believe that's a personal response, there are solid answers to your bible objections.. Engage and if something is worthwhile it will probably take a little effort.

 

Who are the "we" in we take the time to run informed factual seminars

 

Is this an advert for the Christadelphians?

"Christadelphians know from the Scriptures that the present age of man's dominion is coming to an end."

"The purpose of the return of Christ will be to re-establish the authority of God in the earth."

" Thus will begin the re-education of the peoples of the earth under the new kingdom of God with Christ as King."

"After the resurrection those individuals who have understood the Gospel of God's grace will "appear before the judgment seat of Christ" to receive the reward of their deeds, "whether good or bad"

"Your future depends on your response!"

[RootsBooster]

Really? I suppose you can be a reformed thief or murderer but I'm not sure a book will change either.

 

Mind you, and I'm taking apart my own argument, a good number of reformed criminals found God on the inside and come out better people so maybe there is a place for the bible. Or indeed aesops fables.

 

I never claimed a book would change anyone, I'd rather people didn't rely on a book for their morals to be honest.

 

If more logic and reason was taught in schools along with basic human rights and humanitarianism, we would develop greater morals, in my opinion.

[DrNorm]

Originally you said people were being 'seduced' into amoral communities, which kinda sounds like it's a bad thing.

 

Yeah, good spot ... there is something I am trying to say there. Let me try again.

 

There are many groups, societies, communities, congregations of people where a moral code and a set of principles are at their heart. But it seems to me that such communities are on the wane and other groups that don't have such a basis are on the rise. Now I'm not saying that all groups must have a moral basis, but there is possibly a bit of a vacuum opening up when fewer and fewer people attempt to live life by a common moral code.

 

The next generation are having to deal with all sorts of issues we never encountered. Cyber bullying, mail order drugs, selfie porn are just 3 issues that come to mind.

 

I don't think we can say to the next generation "If you want to know what's right and wrong, just read the laws of the country as passed by parliament." I don't do that, I'm sure you don't and teenagers sure as heck won't.

 

It worries me a little that some people think we need to rely on a book to tell us what's right and wrong. If you really do need some texts to confirm that rape and slavery is wrong, the 'law' might be a good place to look.

 

You see, I just don't think that's gonna work for all the issues a teenager has to deal with.

[RootsBooster]

Yeah, good spot ... there is something I am trying to say there. Let me try again.

 

There are many groups, societies, communities, congregations of people where a moral code and a set of principles are at their heart. But it seems to me that such communities are on the wane and other groups that don't have such a basis are on the rise. Now I'm not saying that all groups must have a moral basis, but there is possibly a bit of a vacuum opening up when fewer and fewer people attempt to live life by a common moral code.

 

The next generation are having to deal with all sorts of issues we never encountered. Cyber bullying, mail order drugs, selfie porn are just 3 issues that come to mind.

 

I don't think we can say to the next generation "If you want to know what's right and wrong, just read the laws of the country as passed by parliament." I don't do that, I'm sure you don't and teenagers sure as heck won't.

 

 

 

You see, I just don't think that's gonna work for all the issues a teenager has to deal with.

 

...see post #89

[DrNorm]

If more logic and reason was taught in schools along with basic human rights and humanitarianism, we would develop greater morals, in my opinion.

 

Yes, good, but is it the full answer?