crookedspire Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Benefits are propping up the economy. If state benefits stopped tomorrow and company subsidies stopped, the uk economy would crumble. The uk economy itself is based on finance centralised in the city and low paid service jobs. ---------- Post added 31-08-2015 at 13:10 ---------- Many pensioners dont need free travel and winter fuel allowance. At least 1 million richer pensioners shouldnt get that money. That's strange over the last few winters many pensioners have been found dead in their homes often dying in cold homes as many were afraid of getting a big bill. As for millionaire pensioners not seen many about Sheffield if they are entitled to claim a Fuel Allowance they should get it after all they paid into the system like everyone else. As for economy based around benefits ,what about pre Welfare State Britain economy then how did that survive then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 That's strange over the last few winters many pensioners have been found dead in their homes often dying in cold homes as many were afraid of getting a big bill. As for millionaire pensioners not seen many about Sheffield if they are entitled to claim a Fuel Allowance they should get it after all they paid into the system like everyone else. As for economy based around benefits ,what about pre Welfare State Britain economy then how did that survive then? pensioners who need it, should get it... pre welfare state, people didnt survive like they do now and wealthy land owners and industrial owners basically worked people to death. We dont want to go back to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 pensioners who need it, should get it... pre welfare state, people didnt survive like they do now and wealthy land owners and industrial owners basically worked people to death. We dont want to go back to that. I agree. It's time to take a look at pensioner entitlements, the biggest part of the welfare budget by a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrea Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 If you took away in-work benefits (tax credits, housing benefits) overnight our economy would descend into chaos. In-work benefits underpin everything. Practically every low paid job at every workplace is subsidised. Costs us £60bn a year and the bill is growing all the time. In work benefits subsidize life style choice and part time work, not low hourly rates of pay, some people on minimum wage don't qualify for in work benefits, whilst some people on £20 an hour do qualify for in work benefits. Its the number of hours you work, the number of kids you have and your hourly rate of pay that determines what you receive, an high hourly rate doesn't mean you won't qualify and a low hourly rate doesn't mean you will qualify. A benefits scrounger is someone that can work or work more hours but chooses not to and instead of working they claims benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 I agree. It's time to take a look at pensioner entitlements, the biggest part of the welfare budget by a long way. cameron wont touch it because rich old people vote. ---------- Post added 31-08-2015 at 15:19 ---------- Young, poor people dont vote. ---------- Post added 31-08-2015 at 15:21 ---------- The creation of a welfare state was a good thing. It was never created to subsidise private businesses and individuals. ---------- Post added 31-08-2015 at 15:23 ---------- Or a life time on the dole for that matter. ---------- Post added 31-08-2015 at 15:24 ---------- In work benefits subsidize life style choice and part time work, not low hourly rates of pay, some people on minimum wage don't qualify for in work benefits, whilst some people on £20 an hour do qualify for in work benefits. Its the number of hours you work, the number of kids you have and your hourly rate of pay that determines what you receive, an high hourly rate doesn't mean you won't qualify and a low hourly rate doesn't mean you will qualify. A benefits scrounger is someone that can work or work more hours but chooses not to and instead of working they claims benefits. 3/4 of london residents claiming are working. Are you saying they dont work hard enough? ---------- Post added 31-08-2015 at 15:25 ---------- Clearly the hourly rate is too low... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookedspire Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 pensioners who need it, should get it... pre welfare state, people didnt survive like they do now and wealthy land owners and industrial owners basically worked people to death. We dont want to go back to that. Hang on their Mr you said pensioners didn't need it or their free travel a bit of a contrition here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Hang on their Mr you said pensioners didn't need it or their free travel a bit of a contrition here ? richer ones dont. ---------- Post added 31-08-2015 at 15:44 ---------- Its a waste of public money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookedspire Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Would it not make more sense in lowing VAT and prices across the board, so people don't need so much money to live , the knock on effect no need for in work benefits , cheaper housing ,bills ,food ( instead of building yet more houses put aside land for food production) or is that too simple ? ---------- Post added 31-08-2015 at 15:50 ---------- richer ones dont. ---------- Post added 31-08-2015 at 15:44 ---------- Its a waste of public money. But if they paid into the system they should be entitled to free travel and other benefits like everyone else they have already paid for it though their working lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 3/4 of london residents claiming are working. Are you saying they dont work hard enough? ---------- Post added 31-08-2015 at 15:25 ---------- Clearly the hourly rate is too low... I would imagine in London, most of the claims are to do with subsidising rents. The London housing market is way out of kilter with the rest of the country, and that's to do with the super rich pushing up land values. London truly is the land of the haves and have-nots. We don't want that spreading to the rest of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 But if they paid into the system they should be entitled to free travel and other benefits like everyone else they have already paid for it though their working lives? So what? Why are they immune to austerity while people like me and other young people bare the brunt? I pay higher tax rate, nobody gives me 200 quid for Christmas and a free travel card. And I don't need one either. Pensioners should be better off in general, if they have paid off their mortgage etc. They should have disposable income. If they don't, well fine, they need assistance. ---------- Post added 31-08-2015 at 14:58 ---------- I would imagine in London, most of the claims are to do with subsidising rents. The London housing market is way out of kilter with the rest of the country, and that's to do with the super rich pushing up land values. London truly is the land of the haves and have-nots. We don't want that spreading to the rest of the country. It's happening everywhere. Rents and housing is too high and not in line with true market values. ---------- Post added 31-08-2015 at 14:58 ---------- But yes, it is subsidising private housing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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