Jamie Oliver: 'sugar tax'

[TJC1]

Processed sugar isnt natural. Neither is diet sodas.

 

I avoid both. Sugar in fruits, glucose, i try and swerve that too.

 

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All sugars raises insulin, which stores fat.

 

This is the kind of thing kids should learn.

[unbeliever]

Processed sugar isnt natural. Neither is diet sodas.

 

I avoid both. Sugar in fruits, glucose, i try and swerve that too.

 

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All sugars raises insulin, which stores fat.

 

This is the kind of thing kids should learn.

 

High GI food causes insulin spikes. Potatoes are especially bad.

[TJC1]

High GI food causes insulin spikes. Potatoes are especially bad.

 

Yes! Potatoes are stupidly high.

 

Baked russet potato, average 111 150 33

Boiled white potato, average 82 150 21

Instant mashed potato, average 87 150 17

Sweet potato, average 70 150 22

 

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They always say avoid fruit when dieting. It appears some fruits are low gi though.

 

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Apple, average 39 120 6

Banana, ripe 62 120 16

Dates, dried 42 60 18

Grapefruit 25 120 3

Grapes, average 59 120 11

Orange, average 40 120 4

Peach, average 42 120 5

Peach, canned in light syrup 40 120 5

Pear, average 38 120 4

Pear, canned in pear juice 43 120 5

Prunes, pitted 29 60 10

Raisins 64 60 28

Watermelon 72 120 4

 

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First figure is glycemic index

The last figure is the glycemic load per serving

[Cyclone]

Cyclone. To me it's all like the government propaganda about smoking. If someone smokes 20 fags a day and half of what they pay goes in tax they'll pay about £50 K in tax over 30 years, we're also told they'll die 10 years early another £100 K saved in pension, my dad was a heavy smoker which he enjoyed died well before pensionable age and never cost the NHS anything.

 

On average though a smoker will need quite a lot of treatment.

 

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I think he should butt out. I enjoy sugary food and drink as part of a balanced diet. My BMI is safely 'normal'. If people can't control themselves, that's their own problem.

 

No, it's everyone's problem.

 

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Diet drinks taste disgusting and it can be argued all of the chemical sweeteners are much more harmful anyway.

 

No, it can't, not with the use of evidence or anything.

It can if you just make stuff up.

[woodmally]

On average though a smoker will need quite a lot of treatment.

 

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No, it's everyone's problem.

 

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No, it can't, not with the use of evidence or anything.

It can if you just make stuff up.

 

Its only everyones problem if you chose to tackle obesity on the NHS. If you refuse treatment and tell them if they want to eat unhealthily they can go private for treatment it wouldnt be.

 

I have no problem with people chosing to live as healthy or unhealthy as they like. I dont believe in taxing them and everyone else suffering but nor should they get treatment paid for by the taxpayer if they want to eat unhealthily.

[unbeliever]

Its only everyones problem if you chose to tackle obesity on the NHS. If you refuse treatment and tell them if they want to eat unhealthily they can go private for treatment it wouldnt be.

 

I have no problem with people chosing to live as healthy or unhealthy as they like. I dont believe in taxing them and everyone else suffering but nor should they get treatment paid for by the taxpayer if they want to eat unhealthily.

 

I feel strong support for this position.

But in reality when people get sick we're going to help them whether it's their fault or not. That's how we are as a people.

[Cyclone]

Its only everyones problem if you chose to tackle obesity on the NHS. If you refuse treatment and tell them if they want to eat unhealthily they can go private for treatment it wouldnt be.

Diabetes is the single largest cost to the NHS, and "unhealthy" is too vague a distinction to use to refuse treatment.

Also refusing treatment for 1 thing is the thin end of the wedge for privatising the NHS, and against all the principles of the NHS.

 

If we stop treating those who are obese, what's next, those who don't get 5 hrs exercise a week? Then those who injure themselves doing sport. Then those who have an accident that could have been avoided.

Before you know it we need health insurance and the NHS doesn't exist.

Edited September 3, 2015 by Cyclone

[unbeliever]

Diabetes is the single largest cost to the NHS, and "unhealthy" is too vague a distinction to use to refuse treatment.

Also refusing treatment for 1 thing is the thin end of the wedge for privatising the NHS, and against all the principles of the NHS.

 

I'm not sure that even privatisation would solve it.

I believe that diabetes, even when linked to bad lifestyle, is covered by health insurance.

[Cyclone]

Privatisation would mean that the unhealthy had to pay more to get health insurance.

 

I'm not suggesting it's a good thing, I'm saying that it's the ultimate outcome of restricting access, and it's a terrible, terrible thing.

[unbeliever]

Privatisation would mean that the unhealthy had to pay more to get health insurance.

 

I'm not suggesting it's a good thing, I'm saying that it's the ultimate outcome of restricting access, and it's a terrible, terrible thing.

 

I'm not convinced. I don't think that's the model in most western countries.