Saudi Arabia offers to Build 200 Mosques in Germany

[drummonds]

So what people are riling about is that Saudi takes migrants and puts them to work? Interesting.

 

no. it is because saudi takes migrants and puts them in work camps. this is like germany in 1943 taking polish workers to build rocket factories.

 

you are aware of course that the migrants in saudi have no right to live in saudi once there particular project is completed.

 

here is a nice bit of light reading for you.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/13/saudi-arabia-treatment-foreign-workers

Edited September 12, 2015 by drummonds

[Guest]

Yep, I was attacked last week by a group of Buddhists...

 

You may could have been if a Muslim in Burma...ah those 'peaceful' Buddists.

 

On Tuesday, Buddhist mobs attacked mosques and burned more than 70 homes in Oakkan, north of Rangoon, after a Muslim girl on a bicycle collided with a monk. One person died and nine were injured.

 

But aren't Buddhist monks meant to be the good guys of religion?

 

Aggressive thoughts are inimical to all Buddhist teachings. Buddhism even comes equipped with a practical way to eliminate them. Through meditation the distinction between your feelings and those of others should begin to dissolve, while your compassion for all living things grows.

 

Ashin Wirathu, who was jailed in 2003 for inciting religious hatred. Released in 2012, he has referred to himself bizarrely as "the Burmese Bin Laden".

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22356306

 

Oh so similar theme then...you have usually a majority that are peaceful and the odd nutcase extremist who incites violence.

 

Never mind, at least Buddists can feel safe in that the world is not tainting the whole religion and its followers..

[RonJeremy]

You may could have been if a Muslim in Burma...ah those 'peaceful' Buddists.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22356306

 

Oh so similar theme then...you have usually a majority that are peaceful and the odd nutcase extremist who incites violence.

 

Never mind, at least Buddists can feel safe in that the world is not tainting the whole religion and its followers..

 

I'm not convinced, forgive me if I'm wrong, but I am pretty sure I'm not in Burma and I'm unlikely to go there. And hopefully Burma wont come to me, like Syria seems to be doing.

[tzijlstra]

no. it is because saudi takes migrants and puts them in work camps. this is like germany in 1943 taking polish workers to build rocket factories.

 

you are aware of course that the migrants in saudi have no right to live in saudi once there particular project is completed.

 

here is a nice bit of light reading for you.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/13/saudi-arabia-treatment-foreign-workers

 

But isn't that exactly the sort of thing you nationalists want?

[drummonds]

But isn't that exactly the sort of thing you nationalists want?

 

it is you putting it forward as a model of kindness. is that how you muslims want the world to help out?

[tzijlstra]

it is you putting it forward as a model of kindness. is that how you muslims want the world to help out?

 

I am just capable to read between the lines, do you think Saudi take on 500,000 Syrian refugees as workers just because they would like a new road built? They have just used the system they have in place to take on an extraordinary amount of refugees. Saudi has a population that is around 28 million people. I see you and your ilk moan that the gulf states are not taking anybody on, yet if you put it into perspective with the UK who took on a measly 280 over the same period...

 

Well there you go. At least one of your arguments is blown out of the water, isn't it?

[retep]

This is one of the millions of examples of the conflicts that start when people of different beliefs try to live in the same community.

 

It certainly is,

[drummonds]

I am just capable to read between the lines, do you think Saudi take on 500,000 Syrian refugees as workers just because they would like a new road built? They have just used the system they have in place to take on an extraordinary amount of refugees. Saudi has a population that is around 28 million people. I see you and your ilk moan that the gulf states are not taking anybody on, yet if you put it into perspective with the UK who took on a measly 280 over the same period...

 

Well there you go. At least one of your arguments is blown out of the water, isn't it?

 

it isn't blown out of the water at all. they were not refugees. many were working in saudi and qatar on building projects before the arab spring. they are contract workers who are kept in shocking conditions and who will have no rights to remain in the country once their job is completed. so to answer your question ..yes they are merely there because saudi wants a new road, building, airport etc etc.

 

that's the problem with your ilk. you can't see beyond the muslim brotherhood.

 

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It's taking him a while to do that search,isn't it?

 

but well worth the wait isn't it?

 

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2015/03/19/how-can-the-west-keep-up-good-relations-with-saudi-arabia-when-its-chief-religious-leader-wants-churches-destroyed/

 

Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti wants churches destroyed – it’s time for the West to rethink relations

 

Hilariously, the Mufti seems to be pushing at an open door. There are no churches in Saudi Arabia. That is because all non-Muslim worship in the Kingdom is illegal.

Edited September 12, 2015 by drummonds

[tzijlstra]

it isn't blown out of the water at all. they were not refugees. many were working in saudi and qatar on building projects before the arab spring. they are contract workers who are kept in shocking conditions and who will have no rights to remain in the country once their job is completed. so to answer your question ..yes they are merely there because saudi wants a new road, building, airport etc etc.

 

that's the problem with your ilk. you can't see beyond the muslim brotherhood.

 

The Syrian civil war started in 2011, they clearly state to have taken in 500,000 since then. Your argument isn't just blown out of the water, it has been turned on its head and you keep digging. If the Saudis are such a terrible destination for the refugees, then why do you and 'your ilk' keep hammering on about refugees needing to be looked after in their direct environment? You surely must know that they already are, so your argument is nonsense.

 

I am also rather amused by your attempt to generalise me as either a muslim or a leftie, whilst all I am doing is pointing out the flaws in your thinking, flaws you keep reiterating. I haven't made any qualitative statements about what I think about Saudi and the way it behaves, I have just observed a point that you failed to pick up on and still are.

[drummonds]

The Syrian civil war started in 2011, they clearly state to have taken in 500,000 since then. Your argument isn't just blown out of the water, it has been turned on its head and you keep digging. If the Saudis are such a terrible destination for the refugees, then why do you and 'your ilk' keep hammering on about refugees needing to be looked after in their direct environment? You surely must know that they already are, so your argument is nonsense.

 

I am also rather amused by your attempt to generalise me as either a muslim or a leftie, whilst all I am doing is pointing out the flaws in your thinking, flaws you keep reiterating. I haven't made any qualitative statements about what I think about Saudi and the way it behaves, I have just observed a point that you failed to pick up on and still are.

 

actually i take no notice of your false claims. according to amnesty international saudi has taken ZERO refugees. page 13 of the amnesty report will save you reading the lot.

 

 

http://time.com/4025187/arab-states-syrian-refugees/

 

Lebanon and Jordan host almost 2 million refugees while the rich Gulf states host none

Syrians fleeing war are driven to board precarious boats to cross the Mediterranean. They crowd onto trains and climb mountains. They risk detention, deportation, and drowning.

 

There is growing evidence that the people dying to reach the shores of Europe are fleeing not only war in Syria, but oppression in other Middle Eastern states.

 

As pressure rises for European leaders to resolve the refugee crisis, critics are also asking why Middle Eastern governments have not done more to help the four million Syrians who represent one of the largest mass movement of refugees since World War Two. Much ire has focused on the relatively wealthy states along the Persian Gulf. According to a report by Amnesty International, the six countries of the Gulf Cooperation Council offered zero formal resettlement slots to Syrians by the end of 2014.

 

Rights groups point out that those countries — Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) — with wealth amassed from oil, gas, and finance, collectively have far more resources than the two Arab states that have taken in the most Syrians: Jordan and Lebanon. The Gulf states are Arabic-speaking, have historic ties to Syria and some are embroiled in the current crisis through their support for insurgent groups.

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.amnesty.org.nz/sites/default/files/Left_Out_In_The_Cold_0.pdf