drummonds Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Yeah, of course it's sensationalist! So, what puzzles me is this, is crime is about what you *think* you're doing, rather than what you're actually doing? If I intend to kill someone next week; but haven't actually, as yet, done anything. Can I be put in prison for my intention? if you attempt to shoot someone and they are wearing a bullet proof vest it is still attempted murder. if a dealer tries to buy a kilo of heroine from an undercover cop it is still an offence whether or not he is sold the drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timeh Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 if you attempt to shoot someone and they are wearing a bullet proof vest it is still attempted murder. if a dealer tries to buy a kilo of heroine from an undercover cop it is still an offence whether or not he is sold the drugs. Yes and Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Seems like harsh sentence! Man buys 5 tiny vials of talc, from the dark web, and is given 8 years! Is that justice? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34288380 For plotting mass murder? Should have been life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted September 20, 2015 Author Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) For plotting mass murder? Should have been life. Sure. If he was planning to do that, and would have, had he not been stopped, then I agree. But; what evidence was there that he was planning on using it to commit mass murder? The judge continued: "I am satisfied that Mohammed Ali had no intention of disposing of ricin immediately. He intended to keep it. "That created a real risk that, at some stage in the future, he might decide to experiment with it or it fall into the wrong hands." Doesn't sound to me like planning to use it to commit mass murder. Edited September 20, 2015 by Waldo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vague_Boy Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 If I intend to kill someone next week; but haven't actually, as yet, done anything. Can I be put in prison for my intention? The guy did more than think about it. Failure to achieve his objective is no defence. That's why we have crimes like attempted murder. If I tried to assassinate Tony Blair, would I get off scot-free if I failed? Remember the guy who fired blanks at the Queen? He got 5 years in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psynuk Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Sure. If he was planning to do that, and would have, had he not been stopped, then I agree. But; what evidence was there that he was planning on using it to commit mass murder? Doesn't sound to me like planning to use it to commit mass murder. without google I can't imagine any benevolent acts that ricin could be used for, It's one of those unfortunate human discoveries that really should be eased from history, afic. Edited September 21, 2015 by psynuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Yeah, of course it's sensationalist! So, what puzzles me is this, is crime is about what you *think* you're doing, rather than what you're actually doing? If I intend to kill someone next week; but haven't actually, as yet, done anything. Can I be put in prison for my intention? The crime was the attempt to buy Ricin. ---------- Post added 21-09-2015 at 08:39 ---------- If I intend to kill someone next week; but haven't actually, as yet, done anything. Can I be put in prison for my intention? Yes, I think you can. Something like conspiracy to murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Seems like harsh sentence! Man buys 5 tiny vials of talc, from the dark web, and is given 8 years! Is that justice? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34288380 A man who tried to buy deadly ricin poison from the Dark Web after being inspired by the TV series Breaking Bad has been jailed for eight years. The court heard Ali, of Prescot Road, a computer programmer, first heard about ricin after watching the US crime drama Breaking Bad. Another simple mind influenced by the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Influenced by the West? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerousedd Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Influenced by the West? sounds like he's using the old decadent west corrupted a pious Muslim ploy. Edited September 21, 2015 by dangerousedd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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