Schnoodle Puppy Wanted

[H_Hounds]

I agree with ccit. We get a lot of cross breeds who's coats are not like what the owner expected in terms of texture, care and shedding. If the top of your list of requirements is allergies, definitely go for a pure breed. If you are in a position to cater for any sort of temperament and type of dog then I'd say go with what you have your heart set on but the reality is if you suffer with allergies and you get a cross breed, the chances are that you'll struggle to live with the dog and that will cause you and the dog anxiety or stress

[JarvisCocker]

I have pure bred Schnauzers and they don't moult. :

[scousemouse]

................why would anyine pay hundreds of pounds for a mongrel!!!!

[Chelle-82]

................why would anyine pay hundreds of pounds for a mongrel!!!!

 

How dare you!

 

MONGRALS (as you say) are still living breathing beings and to some folk the price is irrelevant.. If it suits the owner and the MONGRAL (as you say) benefit them what has it got to do with you he much some one pays???

 

 

As long as the doggy is loved and looked after then there is no issue...

 

 

This is why idiots shouldn't breed!!! Because prices are put on breeds and they think it's detrimental to the dogs being! Pathetic....

[ami_j]

How dare you!

 

MONGRALS (as you say) are still living breathing beings and to some folk the price is irrelevant.. If it suits the owner and the MONGRAL (as you say) benefit them what has it got to do with you he much some one pays???

 

 

As long as the doggy is loved and looked after then there is no issue...

 

 

This is why idiots shouldn't breed!!! Because prices are put on breeds and they think it's detrimental to the dogs being! Pathetic....

 

They have a point...why would anyone pay a load of money for a puppy that is from two breeds put together to make a cute name. These dogs are mostly from non health tested parents but sold for inflated parents. Or you can buy a pedigree pup from health tested parents who have been raised with utter care. Not all pedigree pups have this start admittedly but there are more good pedigree breeders than crossbreed breeders

 

All you are doing when paying for these "designer" pups is putting money in the pockets of people breeding for all the wrong reasons, and buying a potential health time bomb

[Mayfly182]

................why would anyine pay hundreds of pounds for a mongrel!!!!

 

Why would anyone pay hundreds of pounds for a purebred?

- Because you like a particular look or character the breed is known for

- Because you get to be part of a 'club' of people who have the same breed, and feel connected to them

- Because you are dealing with much more of a known quantity than if you get a random mix

- Because the puppies are worth a lot if you decide to breed.

 

Why would you pay a lot for a cross between two pedigree dogs?

The same reasons as above, only the puppies are more or less worthless!

 

But - there's also a big health factor. Pedigree animals are inbred, which means reinforcement of bad genes. Good breeders (which doesn't by any means include all of them) will test and rogue for the worst gene combinations, but nothing can stop the buildup of slightly detrimental genes which predispose many breeds to serious medical problems and shorten the lifespan of pedigree dogs. That's on top of serious conditions which are actively selected for because they're fashionable! If you want to talk about really irresponsible breeding, look at brachycephalic dog breeds. Look at the problems with French Bulldogs. Or look at the thread in this section from a couple of days ago about an irresponsible person breeding from a very young Shih Tzu.

 

I think a cross between two breeds offers all good news. It decreases genetic problems and discourages further breeding. Surely when weighing your own pet's health against the 'pedigree vs mongrel' snobbery the choice should be obvious?

[ccit]

I think a cross between two breeds offers all good news. It decreases genetic problems and discourages further breeding. Surely when weighing your own pet's health against the 'pedigree vs mongrel' snobbery the choice should be obvious?

Your assessment of the problems with pedigree dog breeds may be the reason why these first crosses proliferate but it is fundamentally incorrect. There is some truth in what you say, particularly in relation to the brachycephalic breeds but there are people in the world of pedigree dog breeding who seek to repair the damage that has been done although sadly, they are too few.

 

With regards to the health of pedigree dogs to some extent you seem to be misinformed. My own breed is renowned as being particularly healthy. Reputable breeders of pedigree dogs know their breed inside out and will have all the necessary health checks done before breeding in order to ensure they are producing sound, healthy puppies with good temperaments. Good breeders know their lines, often five, six and more generations back. They will provide life time support. The purchaser knows exactly what they are getting, how to manage the coat, the breed characteristics, temperament, exercise and dietary needs.

 

You are wrong in saying that snobbery is part of the choice in selecting a dog. In fact the snobbery is actually the reverse these days because people who buy these crosses often boast about their dog, giving it some imaginary name to indicate that it is actually a breed when in fact it is not. You only have to look at the title of this thread to see that.

 

As mentioned earlier in this thread, the purchaser of first crosses often has no idea of the ancestry of their puppy. They cannot know if there was a rogue dog with a bad temperament a few generations back. Also, it is extremely unlikely that the breeders will have had health checks done. If a Labrador has a poor hip score and is mated to a Standard Poodle with bad hips, just because they are different breeds does not mean that they will not pass down the hip problem. Same with other diseases such as Progressive Retinal Atrophy.

 

There is also the problem of completely different coat types. As has been mentioned earlier, very often all groomers can do is to clip the coats short which is not good for the dog. Owners are notorious for not brushing and combing their animals properly and the result is matted up coats and a dog that is in pain.

 

Breed temperaments differ and with cross breeds you do not know how that will manifest itself in the offspring.

 

Lastly, my concern is that (as already mentioned if you did not read it), there is no paper trail with these pups. Bitches can be mated at any age, have many litters and there are no checks in place. At least the Kennel Club registration of litters has strict requirements relating to animal welfare.

 

You seem to be under the illusion that all you have to do is breed two totally dissimilar breeds and hey presto - healthy puppies. It isn't as simple as that. You take no account of welfare issues such as how and where the puppies are bred. Poor animal husbandry in the first few months of life can lead to terrible damage to the puppies and their dam. If you want the best chance of purchasing a healthy puppy, go to a reputable breeder who knows their breed and has documentary proof of having done all the health checks that are required by the Kennel Club. See the puppies with their own mother in the home in which they were bred. With pedigree breeds it will be clear that the bitch is the mother of the pups. With cross breeds it is not so obvious and the bitch could be anywhere - maybe in a puppy farm somewhere.

Edited October 17, 2015 by ccit

[ami_j]

Your assessment of the problems with pedigree dog breeds may be the reason why these first crosses proliferate but it is fundamentally incorrect. There is some truth in what you say, particularly in relation to the brachycephalic breeds but there are people in the world of pedigree dog breeding who seek to repair the damage that has been done although sadly, they are too few.

 

With regards to the health of pedigree dogs to some extent you seem to be misinformed. My own breed is renowned as being particularly healthy. Reputable breeders of pedigree dogs know their breed inside out and will have all the necessary health checks done before breeding in order to ensure they are producing sound, healthy puppies with good temperaments. Good breeders know their lines, often five, six and more generations back. They will provide life time support. The purchaser knows exactly what they are getting, how to manage the coat, the breed characteristics, temperament, exercise and dietary needs.

 

You are wrong in saying that snobbery is part of the choice in selecting a dog. In fact the snobbery is actually the reverse these days because people who buy these crosses often boast about their dog, giving it some imaginary name to indicate that it is actually a breed when in fact it is not. You only have to look at the title of this thread to see that.

 

As mentioned earlier in this thread, the purchaser of first crosses often has no idea of the ancestry of their puppy. They cannot know if there was a rogue dog with a bad temperament a few generations back. Also, it is extremely unlikely that the breeders will have had health checks done. If a Labrador has a poor hip score and is mated to a Standard Poodle with bad hips, just because they are different breeds does not mean that they will not pass down the hip problem. Same with other diseases such as Progressive Retinal Atrophy.

 

There is also the problem of completely different coat types. As has been mentioned earlier, very often all groomers can do is to clip the coats short which is not good for the dog. Owners are notorious for not brushing and combing their animals properly and the result is matted up coats and a dog that is in pain.

 

Breed temperaments differ and with cross breeds you do not know how that will manifest itself in the offspring.

 

Lastly, my concern is that (as already mentioned if you did not read it), there is no paper trail with these pups. Bitches can be mated at any age, have many litters and there are no checks in place. At least the Kennel Club registration of litters has strict requirements relating to animal welfare.

 

You seem to be under the illusion that all you have to do is breed two totally dissimilar breeds and hey presto - healthy puppies. It isn't as simple as that. You take no account of welfare issues such as how and where the puppies are bred. Poor animal husbandry in the first few months of life can lead to terrible damage to the puppies and their dam. If you want the best chance of purchasing a healthy puppy, go to a reputable breeder who knows their breed and has documentary proof of having done all the health checks that are required by the Kennel Club. See the puppies with their own mother in the home in which they were bred. With pedigree breeds it will be clear that the bitch is the mother of the pups. With cross breeds it is not so obvious and the bitch could be anywhere - maybe in a puppy farm somewhere.

 

*applauds*

 

I'm sick of hearing this crossbreeds are healthier claptrap. If pedigrees are so unhealthy then crossing two together isn't going to make a healthy dog is it? No logic there is there?

 

The fact is if you breed two animals with bad hips together it doesnt matter if they are different breeds the pups will have bad hips

 

Or if you breed two dogs together with different health issues thats going to give the pups double the issues.

 

Not all pedigree breeders are perfect or even good but there are a hell of a lot more pedigree breeders that are testing for horrible genetic diseases than people who are breeding "designer" crossbreeds.

[Mosby]

Some interesting comments here and many thanks

 

does anyone have an answer to my original question?

 

regards

[Chelle-82]

They have a point...why would anyone pay a load of money for a puppy that is from two breeds put together to make a cute name. These dogs are mostly from non health tested parents but sold for inflated parents. Or you can buy a pedigree pup from health tested parents who have been raised with utter care. Not all pedigree pups have this start admittedly but there are more good pedigree breeders than crossbreed breeders

 

All you are doing when paying for these "designer" pups is putting money in the pockets of people breeding for all the wrong reasons, and buying a potential health time bomb

 

That's not my point.. I was just offended that 'mongrels' are treated like they aren't just as living and loving as a pedigree.. The whole breeding systems annoys me.

 

A dogs life is life regardless