Day to day supply cover in schools.

[ez8004]

Apart from attaching proof of my graduations, or my CV with my qualifications or, would it help if students/lecturers from my courses contacted you.

 

However you would like to try to pull me down feel free but you nor anyone else can take away the fact I've obtained two degrees at Sheffield Hallam University.

 

I finished my BSc in 2006 and my MSc in 2007 and that will never change.

 

I'm no longer going to argue about this because this thread isn't supposed to be an attack on me which it appears a few of you have decided to do, and let's face it I know what I've achieved and going round in circles on here won't gain anything.

 

I wish you all the best and hope you aren't so spiteful and bitter with everyone else in life as that will inevitably only ruin things for yourself.

 

I had a feeling you went to an ex-poly. That was the biggest mistake by previous governments to increase the number of universities by creating the so called "new universities" from ex-polys because the poor standards show.

 

Proper employers actually care about which university you came from and anything outside the Russell Group is pretty much a waste of time. You probably don't even know what the Russell Group is. Oh well.

[Hesther]

Lack of parental support on the whole, impossible targets, forever changing goalposts put in place by over-privileged idiots who have never even attended a non-fee paying school in their life, inspections by people with agendas, lack of respect from most sections of society, horrific hours, shocking pay when it's calculated on an hourly basis and compared to other professionals, disgusting working conditions eg not being able to have breaks including toilet breaks, hands tied by red tape when it comes to disciplining pupils, bullying by incompetent heads, under constant scrutiny both professionally and personally, under attack daily from people who know absolutely nothing about what the job entails, having departmental budgets constantly cut so you are struggling for resources, having to pick up the pieces when schools increasingly employ non-qualified staff to teach classes instead of qualified teachers, threats from aggressive parents, having to increasingly do the job of a parent as well as teach pupils....

 

Who would NOT want to be a teacher? No wonder it's attracting people in droves and the retention figures for the profession are at their highest!

[amazon123]

Lack of parental support on the whole, impossible targets, forever changing goalposts put in place by over-privileged idiots who have never even attended a non-fee paying school in their life, inspections by people with agendas, lack of respect from most sections of society, horrific hours, shocking pay when it's calculated on an hourly basis and compared to other professionals, disgusting working conditions eg not being able to have breaks including toilet breaks, hands tied by red tape when it comes to disciplining pupils, bullying by incompetent heads, under constant scrutiny both professionally and personally, under attack daily from people who know absolutely nothing about what the job entails, having departmental budgets constantly cut so you are struggling for resources, having to pick up the pieces when schools increasingly employ non-qualified staff to teach classes instead of qualified teachers, threats from aggressive parents, having to increasingly do the job of a parent as well as teach pupils....

 

Who would NOT want to be a teacher? No wonder it's attracting people in droves and the retention figures for the profession are at their highest!

 

This sums it up.

[ez8004]

Lack of parental support on the whole, impossible targets, forever changing goalposts put in place by over-privileged idiots who have never even attended a non-fee paying school in their life, inspections by people with agendas, lack of respect from most sections of society, horrific hours, shocking pay when it's calculated on an hourly basis and compared to other professionals, disgusting working conditions eg not being able to have breaks including toilet breaks, hands tied by red tape when it comes to disciplining pupils, bullying by incompetent heads, under constant scrutiny both professionally and personally, under attack daily from people who know absolutely nothing about what the job entails, having departmental budgets constantly cut so you are struggling for resources, having to pick up the pieces when schools increasingly employ non-qualified staff to teach classes instead of qualified teachers, threats from aggressive parents, having to increasingly do the job of a parent as well as teach pupils....

 

Who would NOT want to be a teacher? No wonder it's attracting people in droves and the retention figures for the profession are at their highest!

 

Good teachers can be rewarded well like in any profession. If you do the job well you will compensated accordingly. If however you are not as good as can be and content with coasting along then you don't deserve to be paid as well.

 

If you claim to be in a situation where you are a good teacher but paid relatively poorly, well you're not as good as you think you are.

[Binster]

Hesther. I think the saddest thing is that no matter which teacher you speak to they all report the same issues, regardless of stage, region or subject.

 

It's almost as if the only qualification you really need to be a teacher these days is an ability to take abuse from all directions.

 

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If you claim to be in a situation where you are a good teacher but paid relatively poorly, well you're not as good as you think you are.

 

You are totally and utterly wrong. Some of the best teachers I've ever met are young NQTs that are paid well below the national average. Most of the worst teachers become assistant heads so they only have to teach 5 hours a week and get +£45k a year.

 

Ability and pay do not correlate in schools.

[jemson]

Good teachers can be rewarded well like in any profession. If you do the job well you will compensated accordingly. If however you are not as good as can be and content with coasting along then you don't deserve to be paid as well.

 

If you claim to be in a situation where you are a good teacher but paid relatively poorly, well you're not as good as you think you are.

 

What Hesther writes is sad but true.

 

A classroom teacher can get up to about £36k which is decent. However, when you start looking at t & c`s, hours worked, etc.......

[amazon123]

What Hesther writes is sad but true.

 

A classroom teacher can get up to about £36k which is decent. However, when you start looking at t & c`s, hours worked, etc.......

 

They could get that depending what management responsibilities they take on, but the general cap for teachers is 31k, with a starting salary of 21k, which due to changes in the payment structure, many teachers aren't moved on from particularly quickly. 21k for the job is not a good deal. Neither is 31k in my mind, particularly considering the extortionate salaries of many doctors, for instance. When a locum (aka "supply") GP earns £1000 a day to prescribe some antibiotics, something is wrong. A friend of mine is a young doctor. He does a few days locum GPing a month then spends the rest of it on holiday. Despite this, you don't hear many people slagging off doctors complaining about their own salaries and terms and conditions which is all over the press at the moment.

[ez8004]

They could get that depending what management responsibilities they take on, but the general cap for teachers is 31k, with a starting salary of 21k, which due to changes in the payment structure, many teachers aren't moved on from particularly quickly. 21k for the job is not a good deal. Neither is 31k in my mind, particularly considering the extortionate salaries of many doctors, for instance. When a locum (aka "supply") GP earns £1000 a day to prescribe some antibiotics, something is wrong. A friend of mine is a young doctor. He does a few days locum GPing a month then spends the rest of it on holiday. Despite this, you don't hear many people slagging off doctors complaining about their own salaries and terms and conditions which is all over the press at the moment.

 

Teachers on £30k+ are on a decent wage. It is above the national average. If teacher pay increases significantly, they'll be in the 40% income tax bracket and you'll have to ask the question of, does the teaching profession deserve it. I am not saying they don't, but you'll have to step back and try to justify it.

 

The qualification requirements for a doctor versus a teacher is as different as chalk and cheese. You don't need to be particularly intelligent to be a teacher as the degree requirements are much lower. Teachers don't have to do 5-6 years training whereas a medical degree does take this long.

 

The continual development of teachers compared to medics is nowhere near as demanding throughout their career. The number of professional exams doctors need to study for and take "after" their degree for decent career progression is arguably one of the toughest out there.

 

I don't think you understand the idea of locum doctors. The reason they are paid as much is because demand outstrips supply. There is a lack of doctors that are required in the NHS in general. If a particular hospital is short staffed, they need to bring in locum doctors in order to provide the care needed. These doctors are right in charging a premium for being available and qualified to do the job. Also, being a locum doctor, you don't get all the work benefits a staff doctor does, so that has to be taken into account. £1000/day is not particularly a lot for a 12hr shift by a locum doctor. As a comparison, there are specialist engineers which can be contracted for £200/hr, which is significantly more.

 

If you actually looked at the detail of the current new T&Cs being proposed for junior doctors you wouldn't dare complain about them. For instance, evening shifts no longer get a premium for anti-social hours and Saturdays to count the same as a weekday. Would you just take such a hit if your T&Cs changed like that?

[Hesther]

Teachers don't have to do 5-6 years training whereas a medical degree does take this long.

 

Yes they do. A good degree in a modern language is a four year course, including a year spent abroad, and then a year PGCE is 5 years.

[Binster]

Yes they do. A good degree in a modern language is a four year course, including a year spent abroad, and then a year PGCE is 5 years.

 

You've forgotten the NQT year which still counts as statutory training and is a requirement for Qualified Teacher Status in the longer term.

 

Personally, so far I've undergone 9 years of training and that does not include NPQH/NPQML. I know teachers with doctorates that have done over 12 years. Although I would admit that this sort of training and development is rare since most teachers are too busy teaching, planning and marking to spend time on their own professional development.