Eric Arthur Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 They aren't unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiseOwl182 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 They aren't unnecessary. Why are they necessary? So we can tax our industry out of the country? If that is the aim, it is successful, but all it has done is to displace the pollution elsewhere, to places with far less regulation and control. This is to the detriment of the environment overall, as well as our own economy - it is self-defeating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Arthur Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 There is endless amounts of evidence available online to tell you why. I'm not going into it here. If it helps you to see the truth, China has just introduced environmental laws. China is also the largest investor in environmental industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 There is endless amounts of evidence available online to tell you why. I'm not going into it here. If it helps you to see the truth, China has just introduced environmental laws. China is also the largest investor in environmental industry. yes I just read that here http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/05/china-vows-to-fight-pollution-with-all-our-might but still nothing being done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Billions were pumped into the banking world when they had problems but zero help for a core industry that produces materials fundamental to the construction and defence fields. Excellent point. I seem to remember Sheffield Forgemasters being tooled up to provide the steel and castings ready for Nuclear Power stations, the only plant in Europe able to do so, but instead of investing in its own industry, the government refused, and they were unable to go ahead. So now we have our Nuclear Power Stations being made by the Chinese. Am I the only one that thinks this might be a mistake on more than one front? Similarly, Sheffield's new tram-train is being produced in another country. The knock on effect should be added to the overall picture. The steal might be cheaper, until you add on the cost of unemployment benefit, social problems and despondency and the cost escalates in all directions. How long will it be before the people on here, (you know who you are,) are calling them scroungers and blaming them for being on benefits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) Its weird as both the plant in the op AND also SSI in Redcar have both shut down due to the state of the market they cant compete http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34509329 YET apparently a steel plant in Wales has just restarted due to the market being favourable Oo http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34544104 Edited October 17, 2015 by melthebell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummonds Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 is this another case of british workers not being allowed to compete on a level playing field with overseas competition http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/story/2015-10-16/1200-jobs-to-go-at-tata-steel/ if you mean that chinese steel producers are allowed to work for $2/day what would you do about that? perhaps if a few of those who work in our steel industry actually bought cars made in the uk from uk steel it might help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Excellent point. I seem to remember Sheffield Forgemasters being tooled up to provide the steel and castings ready for Nuclear Power stations, the only plant in Europe able to do so, but instead of investing in its own industry, the government refused, and they were unable to go ahead. So now we have our Nuclear Power Stations being made by the Chinese. Am I the only one that thinks this might be a mistake on more than one front? Similarly, Sheffield's new tram-train is being produced in another country. The knock on effect should be added to the overall picture. The steal might be cheaper, until you add on the cost of unemployment benefit, social problems and despondency and the cost escalates in all directions. How long will it be before the people on here, (you know who you are,) are calling them scroungers and blaming them for being on benefits... If Forgemasters were tooled up to make this, then they wouldnt need investment would they? If they have a good business case for spending the money then they can get it from a bank - something like this is easy to get finance for if it makes good sense. The fact that they cannot get funding would indicate that it perhaps is not a prudent business decision to tool up for one plant worth of orders and kinda sorta hope that there will be more coming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 if you mean that chinese steel producers are allowed to work for $2/day what would you do about that? perhaps if a few of those who work in our steel industry actually bought cars made in the uk from uk steel it might help. I think that's what a lot of people in this country think that our workers should be paid the same . I agree that we should buy british but then again who closed most of our manufacturing plants down/sold them off to foreign investors:huh: . answer me this question how can british companies compete with foreign companies when we are hammered to the hilt with green taxes/higher energy cost/higher business rates/ and foreign companies subsidised by their own governments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Arthur Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I seem to remember Sheffield Forgemasters being tooled up to provide the steel and castings ready for Nuclear Power stations, the only plant in Europe able to do so, but instead of investing in its own industry, the government refused, and they were unable to go ahead. . If only it were so easy. About a month before the 2010 general election the outgoing Labour government promised a cheap loan of £80m of money that they didn't have when they knew that they were probably going to lose the election. Forgemasters could have sought the money from normal lending sources if they so wished but the offer of cheap government cash was understandably attractive to a private business. The new government had to cut a number of similar false promises by Gordon Brown until they could be looked at properly. They later offered Forgemasters about £40m from memory, but Forgemasters turned down the offer because the original market that they were chasing a cheap loan for had disappeared and they no longer needed the money. A cynic might say that Labour set a trap for an incoming government. Since it was Mandelson who offered the loan, what would you guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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