IDS to put job advisors in food banks

[poppet2]

Well at least the government acknowledge food banks actually exist now.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/28/food-banks-job-benefits-advisers-iain-duncan-smith

[Mister M]

There's a certain twisted logic to this - some claimants who have being sanctioned by the job centre, thus not being able to afford to buy food, will see advisors there.

Still - if it they feels it helps....

[apelike]

So, more money available again for creating jobs for those that advise people on how to get jobs.

 

What about data protection, will people attending food banks now have to give out personal details?

[RonJeremy]

It'll be a very good way of monitoring who is actually using these places and to what extent they are being used and why.

They will create data and provide some statistics hopefully.

I can't see anyone objecting to it unless it's for a politically biased reason.

[Happ Hazzard]

Doesn't seem particularly unreasonable. Never got the whole furore about why food banks are so terrible in any case. It's just the government doing what the church used to do.

[Mister M]

And some hospitals are now going to offer food parcels to those suspected as suffering malnutrition:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/28/nhs-hospital-tameside-food-parcels-patients-risk-malnutrition

[chem1st]

Many people in need already avoid foodbanks due to the stigma, and the rules some have in place do not help people in need of food, they actively deny people help.

 

As long as people are not forced to come into contact with a person who has sanctioned them, and the reason people are there is so that help can be accessed on a voluntary basis, AND there is a choice of foodbanks, it shouldn't pose a problem.

 

But I can see a few potential problems.

 

Potentially it could lead to a further increase in the suicide rate, if it is not done properly. By rights, they should already be locking people up from the DWP for joint enterprise for their part in increasing the rate of suicide by knowingly participating in the sanction regime which they know has led to an increase in suicides.

 

The whole welfare system is a complete and utter mess, it is much worse than it was, and we now have increased rates of absolute poverty, we have people suffering malnutrition and 'Victorian' diseases, people have starved to death, and many have committed/attempted to commit suicide. One man set himself on fire due to the persecution he faced at the JC+.

 

The way the unemployed and vulnerable are now treat in the UK is downright despicable, and the UK doesn't deserve to be called a civilised country.

 

The whole sanction regime and forced destitution, and in turn, suicide causing policies of persecution need to be ended for good, there ought be a basic income that nobody is allowed to fall below.

 

We now treat asylum seekers better than the destitute unemployed et. al., such is the lack of support for the unemployed et. al., the basic level of income we give to asylum seekers should at the very least be given to the unemployed etc. automatically when they are sanctioned.

[RonJeremy]

Many people in need already avoid foodbanks due to the stigma, and the rules some have in place do not help people in need of food, they actively deny people help.

 

As long as people are not forced to come into contact with a person who has sanctioned them, and the reason people are there is so that help can be accessed on a voluntary basis, AND there is a choice of foodbanks, it shouldn't pose a problem.

 

But I can see a few potential problems.

 

Potentially it could lead to a further increase in the suicide rate, if it is not done properly. By rights, they should already be locking people up from the DWP for joint enterprise for their part in increasing the rate of suicide by knowingly participating in the sanction regime which they know has led to an increase in suicides.

 

The whole welfare system is a complete and utter mess, it is much worse than it was, and we now have increased rates of absolute poverty, we have people suffering malnutrition and 'Victorian' diseases, people have starved to death, and many have committed/attempted to commit suicide. One man set himself on fire due to the persecution he faced at the JC+.

 

The way the unemployed and vulnerable are now treat in the UK is downright despicable, and the UK doesn't deserve to be called a civilised country.

 

The whole sanction regime and forced destitution, and in turn, suicide causing policies of persecution need to be ended for good, there ought be a basic income that nobody is allowed to fall below.

 

We now treat asylum seekers better than the destitute unemployed et. al., such is the lack of support for the unemployed et. al., the basic level of income we give to asylum seekers should at the very least be given to the unemployed etc. automatically when they are sanctioned.

Do you have any proof of these claims about suicide etc? I'll accept your word that a man set himself on fire.

[Happ Hazzard]

People have got too used to being on benefits and being pretty much able to do what they wanted, any kind of crackdown and making people actually abide by the terms on condiitons was always going to be problematic. People took the mick for years, turning up late, not turning up at all, not applying for enough jobs (or any jobs), "losing" Giros, turning up for interviews in casual clothes, blatantly not making any effort in interviews to get the job. Maybe the sanctions are too harsh. But people were going to find it hard anyway after having such an easy time of things for years.

[gomgeg]

Many people in need already avoid foodbanks due to the stigma, and the rules some have in place do not help people in need of food, they actively deny people help.

 

As long as people are not forced to come into contact with a person who has sanctioned them, and the reason people are there is so that help can be accessed on a voluntary basis, AND there is a choice of foodbanks, it shouldn't pose a problem.

 

But I can see a few potential problems.

 

Potentially it could lead to a further increase in the suicide rate, if it is not done properly. By rights, they should already be locking people up from the DWP for joint enterprise for their part in increasing the rate of suicide by knowingly participating in the sanction regime which they know has led to an increase in suicides.

 

The whole welfare system is a complete and utter mess, it is much worse than it was, and we now have increased rates of absolute poverty, we have people suffering malnutrition and 'Victorian' diseases, people have starved to death, and many have committed/attempted to commit suicide. One man set himself on fire due to the persecution he faced at the JC+.

 

The way the unemployed and vulnerable are now treat in the UK is downright despicable, and the UK doesn't deserve to be called a civilised country.

 

The whole sanction regime and forced destitution, and in turn, suicide causing policies of persecution need to be ended for good, there ought be a basic income that nobody is allowed to fall below.

 

We now treat asylum seekers better than the destitute unemployed et. al., such is the lack of support for the unemployed et. al., the basic level of income we give to asylum seekers should at the very least be given to the unemployed etc. automatically when they are sanctioned.

I wonder why a lot of people living in poverty are fat.

Have a look at Jeremy Kyle, all unemployed, mostly fat and all definitely thick as a brick. Nobody needs to starve in the UK, benefits are in place and are given, they're a safety net not a way of life for the able bodied, and no amount of left wing rhetoric is going to change that.