IDS to put job advisors in food banks

[999tigger]

Keep up, read before posting. Specifically, read your own post #94.

 

 

I found it on the MoJ website. Hardly a cover up.

 

Still not able to answer the questions and respond with actual answers.

[Mister M]

Keep up, read before posting. Specifically, read your own post #94.

 

 

I found it on the MoJ website. Hardly a cover up.

 

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Aha, you're nearly there. Which decision?

 

You obviously haven't read the Coroner's Determination when she specifically says

 

"The likely consequences being found fit for work and loss of benefits".

 

Once again I ask you to read it, as I requested in in post 91. As I said it will help you not look so 'dim' and 'ignorant', as you arrogantly called me and other Forummers on this thread.

[Eric Arthur]

Still not able to answer the questions and respond with actual answers.

 

Which decision?

 

 

I explained it in crystal clear terms earlier if you need help. Just look back.

[Mister M]

Still not able to answer the questions and respond with actual answers.

 

Eric is backtracking as he thought he read the full verdict which he hadn't.

Teach him for being so arrogant!

 

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It's getting a bit tedious to have to repeat the obvious so I would prefer not to, especially when you keep quoting it yourself. Try reading and undertanding what you've written instead of just clicking submit. It will help if you don't put words in the coroners mouth.

 

This is the Coroner's Determination:

 

Michael Brendan O’SULLIVAN - determination on 07.01.14

This has been an inquisition on behalf of Our Sovereign Lady The Queen by

me, Mary Elizabeth Hassell, Senior Coroner for Inner North London, touching

the death of Michael Brendan O’Sullivan who died on 24 September 2013

at Flat 1, 9 College Yard, London.

I make a narrative determination as follows.

“Michael O’Sullivan took his own life whilst suffering from anxiety and

depression.

The anxiety and depression were long term problems, but the intense anxiety

that triggered his suicide, was caused by his recent assessment by the

Department for Work and Pensions (benefits agency) as being fit for work,

and his view of the likely consequences of that.

His psychiatrist had diagnosed him as having recurrent depression and panic

disorder with agoraphobia. His clinical psychologist had assessed him as

being very anxious and showing signs of clinical depression. His general

practitioner had certified him as unfit for work. None of these doctors had

been asked to provide information to the Department for Work and Pensions.

Mr O’Sullivan was embarking on a course of treatment including:

- antidepressant medication;

- engagement with an employment support officer;

- cognitive behavioural therapy.

The doctor who assessed him on behalf of the Department for Work and

Pensions (a former orthopaedic surgeon) concluded that he was at no

significant risk by working. The assessing doctor did not ask Mr O’Sullivan if

he had suicidal thoughts.”

I shall make a PFD report.

That concludes this inquest.

 

You said in post 97 that the Coroner didn't say what I highlighted. As shown above, she clearly did.

Edited October 30, 2015 by Mister M

[999tigger]

Which decision?

 

 

I explained it in crystal clear terms earlier if you need help. Just look back.

 

No thats just you being lazy. I asked you repeatedly to answer the questions and you just come up with excuses from whats pretty plain from the coroners report.

 

Why is she writing to the DWP when that's not compulsory?

Why is she pointing out their decision triggered his suicide?

Why is she pointing out their system meant the supporting medical evidence was ignored?

Why is she telling them they could do something about future deaths? If she took your view it was his own drs who failed him, the she would be writing to them and not the DWP.

[Mister M]

Which decision?

 

 

I explained it in crystal clear terms earlier if you need help. Just look back.

 

Have you read the Coroner's determination yet, Eric?

[999tigger]

Eric is backtracking as he thought he read the full verdict which he hadn't.

Teach him for being so arrogant!

 

---------- Post added 30-10-2015 at 20:59 ----------

 

 

This is the Coroner's Determination:

 

Michael Brendan O’SULLIVAN - determination on 07.01.14

This has been an inquisition on behalf of Our Sovereign Lady The Queen by

me, Mary Elizabeth Hassell, Senior Coroner for Inner North London, touching

the death of Michael Brendan O’Sullivan who died on 24 September 2013

at Flat 1, 9 College Yard, London.

I make a narrative determination as follows.

“Michael O’Sullivan took his own life whilst suffering from anxiety and

depression.

The anxiety and depression were long term problems, but the intense anxiety

that triggered his suicide, was caused by his recent assessment by the

Department for Work and Pensions (benefits agency) as being fit for work,

and his view of the likely consequences of that.

His psychiatrist had diagnosed him as having recurrent depression and panic

disorder with agoraphobia. His clinical psychologist had assessed him as

being very anxious and showing signs of clinical depression. His general

practitioner had certified him as unfit for work. None of these doctors had

been asked to provide information to the Department for Work and Pensions.

Mr O’Sullivan was embarking on a course of treatment including:

- antidepressant medication;

- engagement with an employment support officer;

- cognitive behavioural therapy.

The doctor who assessed him on behalf of the Department for Work and

Pensions (a former orthopaedic surgeon) concluded that he was at no

significant risk by working. The assessing doctor did not ask Mr O’Sullivan if

he had suicidal thoughts.”

I shall make a PFD report.

That concludes this inquest.

 

Except you arent reading the 1

Regulation 28: Prevention of Future Deaths report

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/OSullivan-2014-0012.pdf

 

Written by the Coroner to the DWP. its more than just the narrative you have posted.

 

She is pointing out in the assessment for work there was no one who took his mental state

into consideration. An orthapaedic surgeon is not specialised to do so and in any event the evidence from his medical team was ignored.

[Mister M]

Except you arent reading the 1

Regulation 28: Prevention of Future Deaths report

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/OSullivan-2014-0012.pdf

 

Written by the Coroner to the DWP. its more than just the narrative you have posted.

 

She is pointing out in the assessment for work there was no one who took his mental state

into consideration. An orthapaedic surgeon is not specialised to do so and in any event the evidence from his medical team was ignored.

 

Indeed. In post 91 I linked the Prevention of Future Deaths Report (which I initially read), I also linked the Coroner's Determination, and I quoted from it - Eric accused me of putting words in the Coroner's mouth, which I hadn't. I was quoting directly from the Coroner.

And you're right she points out in the Determination by virtue of its inclusion, that an Orthapedic Surgeon is not qualified in mental health diagnoses or treatment.

 

Anyhow Eric has now gone offline after accusing me of being 'dim' and 'ignorant', 'and putting words in the Coroners mouth'.

Edited October 30, 2015 by Mister M

[999tigger]

Indeed. In post 91 I linked the Prevention of Future Deaths Report (which I initially read), I also linked the Coroner's Determination, and I quoted from it - Eric accused me of putting words in the Coroner's mouth, which I hadn't. I was quoting directly from the Coroner.

And you're right she points out in the Determination by virtue of its inclusion, that an Orthapedic Surgeon is not qualified in mental health diagnoses or treatment.

 

Anyhow Eric has now gone offline after accusing me of being 'dim' and 'ignorant', 'and putting words in the Coroners mouth'.

 

Anyone can look at the short report and make their own minds up whether Erics interpretation is correct and why he would rather call other people dim and ignorant rather than answering the questions asked of him. Its quite clear what the Coroner was indicating as weaknesses in the DWP system and not just his medical care.

[Happ Hazzard]

The cause of this mans death was him being considered not fit for work for god knows how many years, then being suddenly considered fit for work. Too many people got signed off on the sick when the mines and factories shut, the vast majority of these people were perfectly capable of retraining for other work but it was considered politically expedient by both major partys to keep them on benefits. This man (and others like him) is a victim of the system.