sgtkate Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 He's a homophobic misogynist... He's just following the bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamston Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Let's not forget this thread is about Shaker Aarmer who I don't think follows the bible . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtkate Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Let's not forget this thread is about Shaker Aarmer who I don't think follows the bible . He follows an almost identical book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Else Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Nope, just incarcerated for 14 years without charge. Nothing to do with us he isn't British. ---------- Post added 17-12-2015 at 00:10 ---------- Well he has a British family and he has a visa which allows him the right to reside in the UK. I'm assuming you understand how the Visa system works? . A visa can be revoked at any time, he still isn't British, a visa doesn't give him the rights of a British citizen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Nothing to do with us he isn't British. ---------- Post added 17-12-2015 at 00:10 ---------- A visa can be revoked at any time, he still isn't British, a visa doesn't give him the rights of a British citizen He already has indefinite leave to remain. A visa can only be revoked with lawful cause. Shaker Aamer is in the process of becoming applying for British citizenship. As you said my knowledge is poor but am surprised you didnt know that. For the issue of compensation it doesnt matter whether he is a British citizen or not, what does matter is whether the British government acted illegally. You seem unable to grasp that point. Never mind it wont be long before he's granted citizenship and then you can rest easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 If he'd been charged with a crime then that might be lawful cause. But he hasn't... Due to a lack of evidence I can only assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamston Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 If he'd been charged with a crime then that might be lawful cause. But he hasn't... Due to a lack of evidence I can only assume. You assume wrong . The Americans who are our closest and most trusted ally still claim there is plenty of evidence that Shaker Aamer was an enemy combatant and the fact he was not charged does not signify anything . Shaker Aamer was considered an unlawful enemy, so American had no legal obligation to release him , charge him or proceed with a court case . We mustn't forget if it wasn't for American we would still have Abu Hamza another foreign terrorist living in Britain . Saudi sympathy seeking Shaker , shouldn't receive any compensation courtesy of British taxpayers . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfox Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 You just won't have it will you. What evidence ? Where is it ? Why did they not charge him with something, anything? Your comment that "and the fact he was not charged does not signify anything'' - is laughable and very sad. If this man does take legal action in relation to his 14 years behind bars then he will have to follow the appropriate legal rules and procedures and this is the important bit for you - provide some evidence to substantiate his claim, if he does not his claim won't get off the ground. If it gets near a judge someone will have to determine whose evidence is to be accepted and whose is to be rejected. The irony of that ........ he has to provide evidence whereas the Yanks had 14 years and provided naff all Imagine that a hearing of the evidence - what was the problem the Americans had ? Does it not occur to you that perhaps they cocked this one up ? I am afraid I have no faith at all in the justice system in the US - they still hang people for crimes they patently have not committed, pardoning those they have already hung for offences they have not committed (often but not always because they were black) and releasing people from decades on death row because it turns out they didn't commit the offence at all. You won't listen and won't change your mind - thats fine but there is no point in having any discussion with an individual who cannot, more like will not, concede there is another side to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 You assume wrong . The Americans who are our closest and most trusted ally still claim there is plenty of evidence that Shaker Aamer was an enemy combatant and the fact he was not charged does not signify anything . It does though. It signifies that they despite what they say, they don't have the evidence to charge him. It also makes him legally innocent of any wrong doing, so your opinion is just baseless prejudice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassity Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 We mustn't forget if it wasn't for American we would still have Abu Hamza another foreign terrorist living in Britain . . You seem to forget Hamza was put through the US's judicial system...Why? Because there was substantial evidence...it would seem for obvious reasons unlike Aamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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