alchemist Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 The terms and conditions look reasonable to me as does the 11% pay rise. Do you have this unquestioning belief in EVERYTHING the government tells you? Just curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Hang on a second. The doctors are trying to maintain the terms of the contact that they were employed on. Maintain their rates of pay and maintain the mechanisms that currently enforce the hours that they're allowed to work. With this mentality the doctors would never see a pay rise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Could you point us to the concessions that the doctors union has made? Thanks. They have agreed to accept a lower rate for anti social hours, slight reduction in what are classed as anti social hours and a lower rate of increase of between 4 and 7% compared to 11%. The position is different for the Drs as they are uncumbents and its the government seeking change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Do you have this unquestioning belief in EVERYTHING the government tells you? Just curious Do you have reason to refute these figures? Do you have an evidence calculation on which you base your presumption on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 You haven't explained anything. Here's the BMA's argument for people to read and make up their own minds::http://www.bma.org.uk/working-for-change/junior-and-consultant-contract-home/ddrb-recommendations-analysis-for-juniors/premium-time The removal of the pay premium will mean that the junior doctors will be worse off, even with the 11% proposal. No it doesn't, only a minority will be worse off, the majority will be better off. Most employees don't get a premium for working outside the hours of 7am to 7pm Monday to Friday, they should get the same hourly rate no matter what time of day they work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daven Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 This Tory government has successfully demoralised the nursing profession and has now started the same process with doctors. All they will succeed in doing is pushing out damn good doctors and nurses and further reduce the NHS so they can justify the 'need' to privatise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Rubbish. You either do not understand the proposals or you are being disingenuous. Which is it? I understand the proposals and I think they are reasonable, why do you find it hard to understand that different people will have different opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Give us what we want or we will strike is a demand not a negotiation. Actually that's not what they are doing. They arent seeking anything new it's the government imposing by a unilateral imposition of terms. People are allowed to withdraw their labour, but the long term effects will be more people leaving the profession to work for places that offer them better terms and fewer of the brightest candidates applying for medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 No it doesn't, only a minority will be worse off, the majority will be better off. Most employees don't get a premium for working outside the hours of 7am to 7pm Monday to Friday, they should get the same hourly rate no matter what time of day they work. In your opinion, the junior doctors are disagreeing. I am amazed that you believe that the junior doctors are striking over an 11% pay rise!!!!! You really couldn't make your position up. A big well done to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Do you have this unquestioning belief in EVERYTHING the government tells you? Just curious No I very rarely trust what the government says so I check the facts for my self, and on this the governments proposals look reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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