Andbreathe Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 It is just an old fashioned union led pay dispute. Doctors are just towing the union line regardless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 It is just an old fashioned union led pay dispute. If you add conditions, then yes I think it is, but then arent all employment disputes? The difference is they are highly skilled and not easy to replace, they can think for themselves and they have overwhelming public support. The PR and way its been handled has been poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I would think quite a lot of them will work for the new contract, but you will have a less motivated workforce, which means you will get less out of them. Are doctors just like any other profession? I would have thought motivation would be the patients, not their hours, money or ego. ---------- Post added 11-02-2016 at 18:05 ---------- Doctors are just towing the union line regardless? And what about the politicians, just in it for their own ego? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Are doctors just like any other profession? I would have thought motivation would be the patients, not their hours, money or ego. Its a mix. If you work too many hours, then you cant perform at optimum. If you dont have enough money and fall too far behind your peers, then you have less quality of life outside including where you live and raising a family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 And what about the politicians, just in it for their own ego? What they can do to the doctors they can do to other NHS staff. Next the biggie: nurses Hunt is impatient to get on with that and he needs to leave himself enough time before 2020 to fight that battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daven Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Its a mix. If you work too many hours, then you cant perform at optimum. If you dont have enough money and fall too far behind your peers, then you have less quality of life outside including where you live and raising a family. If you are on a till in Morrisons you may over charge someone. If you are a doctor it is entirely possible that someone will die. ---------- Post added 11-02-2016 at 18:23 ---------- What they can do to the doctors they can do to other NHS staff. Next the biggie: nurses Hunt is impatient to get on with that and he needs to leave himself enough time before 2020 to fight that battle. That has already been done. Nurses are already demoralised and many have voted with their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 If you are on a till in Morrisons you may over charge someone. If you are a doctor it is entirely possible that someone will die. ---------- Post added 11-02-2016 at 18:23 ---------- That has already been done. Nurses are already demoralised and many have voted with their feet. There's plenty more he can do. I know a few nurses and they are expecting cuts to their unsocial hours payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daven Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) There's plenty more he can do. I know a few nurses and they are expecting cuts to their unsocial hours payments. True to say that will be the next nail in the coffin. The NHS runs on the goodwill of the staff that work within it. Take that away and it will fail. This Tory government is chipping away at that goodwill and it will not last for much longer. It sounds selfish but I am glad I am nearer the end of my career than the beginning. Edited February 11, 2016 by Daven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 That has already been done. Nurses are already demoralised and many have voted with their feet. It aint. After this there is no way that nurses will hold on to their unsocial pay for Saturdays and up to 10pm. They'll be next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andbreathe Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 And what about the politicians, just in it for their own ego? On the whole I distrust politicians, overall I trust doctors. There's no similarity imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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