999tigger Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 BMA rejects plans to charge migrants for NHS care. http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/political/political-news/bma-rejects-plans-to-charge-migrants-for-nhs-care/20004087.fullarticle Iy says the reason the yrejected and would cost more to implement than the money it would bring in. What would be the point of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Personally I'd prefer to have my doctors healing people and the politicians can work out the money side What a splendid idea, not sure the BMA will think its a good idea though. ---------- Post added 13-02-2016 at 16:39 ---------- Iy says the reason the yrejected and would cost more to implement than the money it would bring in. What would be the point of that? The BMA rejected it based on their opinion that it would cost more to implement than the money it would bring in, bottom line it shouldn't be anything at all to do with the BMA, the government are the elected body not the BMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I see Twitter users have responded to Jeremy Hunt's proposals with tremendous elan and accuracy: http://politicalscrapbook.net/2016/02/spunktrumpet-and-other-choice-words-britons-had-for-jeremy-hunt-after-his-latest-tweet/#more-57141 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFrank Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 This is why we have to get workers from abroad. The Brits don't want work. We should get some doctors from Poland, they'll work for less and we don't have to train them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 The fine acted as a deterrent because it was a punishment that couldn't be avoided, so generally the people running the hospitals made sure that the relevant managers had enough money and staff. It looks like the fine is still in place. We will also introduce a new Guardian role within every Trust, who will have the authority to impose fines for breaches to agreed working hours based on excess hours worked. These fines will be invested in educational resources and facilities for trainees. https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/jeremy-hunt-updates-parliament-on-the-junior-doctors-contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 [/color] The BMA rejected it based on their opinion that it would cost more to implement than the money it would bring in, bottom line it shouldn't be anything at all to do with the BMA, the government are the elected body not the BMA. It was a consultation exercise they are allowed to reject the idea. It wasnt just the BMA who found the proposals unworkable. Bottom line is where its to do with delivery of medical advice in the NHS then the BMA are naturally one of interested parties. It would be stupid not to ask their opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFrank Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Let's be honest the dispute is about money. The doctors try to disguise this by claiming they're saving the NHS or for safety reasons.. They will have to get used to accepting the things we all have to... they are not special cases.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 No, because very few graduates cost the tax payer over half a million pounds to educate. Most pay themselves. Be careful when you bandy the word stupid about or you could have egg on your face, you big disgrace. The cost is irrelevant. What is relevant is the quality of the career afterwards, and you can't blame people for walking out right now. Medical graduates shouldn't by financially bonded to the state - do that and people won't even train. Utterly stupid idea. ---------- Post added 13-02-2016 at 18:59 ---------- You missed the 'affordable' bit. Which is the point of the new contract, behind all the smoke and mirrors and arguments; the Government feels the NHS cannot continue with the current weekend/evening/night working salary enhancements in the current economic climate. Who knows, they could be right. That is a crazy argument when there is plenty of fat to trim within the non-clinical management hierarchy in the NHS, and with numerous other aspects like procurement, PPI etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 The cost is irrelevant. What is relevant is the quality of the career afterwards, and you can't blame people for walking out right now. Medical graduates shouldn't by financially bonded to the state - do that and people won't even train. Utterly stupid idea. ---------- Post added 13-02-2016 at 18:59 ---------- That is a crazy argument when there is plenty of fat to trim within the non-clinical management hierarchy in the NHS, and with numerous other aspects like procurement, PPI etc... It doesn't stop everyone that enjoys free training and a wage when they bond themselves to the armed forces, and it wouldn't stop people joining the medical profession. ---------- Post added 13-02-2016 at 19:36 ---------- It was a consultation exercise they are allowed to reject the idea. It wasnt just the BMA who found the proposals unworkable. Bottom line is where its to do with delivery of medical advice in the NHS then the BMA are naturally one of interested parties. It would be stupid not to ask their opinion. Had the BMA not opposed the idea there would be more money to pay doctors, talk about cutting off their nose to spite their face. The BMA is union and unions are opposed to anything the conservatives do or want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 It doesn't stop everyone that enjoys free training and a wage when they bond themselves to the armed forces, and it wouldn't stop people joining the medical profession. It might not stop them joining, but it could quite easily speed up the rate at which they leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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