Bonzo77 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Some 98% voted in favour of a full strike and 99% in favour of action just short of a full strike. ref: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34859860 Turn out was 76% which equals 22,800 junior doctors voted in the ballet and 98% of this number voted in favour of strike action, this being 22,344. This is 74.48% of the entire 30,000 strong junior doctors voted in favour of strike action ---------- Post added 26-04-2016 at 13:35 ---------- How many private doctor jobs are there currently available to you think? The last I heard the threat was to go abroad to places like Australia, but many, for obvious reasons want to stay in the UK. I've no idea how name private doctor jobs there are, but there's still that option. A good friend of mine is a gynecologist on the NHS. She has had the option to go private many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I've no idea how name private doctor jobs there are, but there's still that option. A good friend of mine is a gynecologist on the NHS. She has had the option to go private many times. I take it you meant to say many, see how easy it is to make an error, next time you mock me for it think about your own errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) I've no idea how name private doctor jobs there are, but there's still that option. A good friend of mine is a gynecologist on the NHS. She has had the option to go private many times. A gynecologist is a specialised NHS doctor that has undertaken up to 14 years of training. A qualified doctor has many options, but we are not talking about them, we are discussing junior doctors. But the bigger question here is: Could your friend paint your hallway through your letterbox? Edited April 26, 2016 by Berberis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 A gynecologist is a specialised NHS doctor that has undertaken up to 14 years of training. A qualified doctor has many options, but we are not talking about them, we are discussing junior doctors. But the bigger question here is: Could you friend paint you halfway through the your letterbox? Could you repeat that bigger question please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Could you repeat that bigger question please? typos now corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 typos now corrected. Cheers. Still, that's a new saying on me. Never heard it before! If relates to the fact that she could earn more but chooses not to, therefore making it more difficult for herself, then I think her decision has more to do with supporting the NHS. It's something that doctors feel passionately about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Cheers. Still, that's a new saying on me. Never heard it before! If relates to the fact that she could earn more but chooses not to, therefore making it more difficult for herself, then I think her decision has more to do with supporting the NHS. It's something that doctors feel passionately about. Bonzo77, its purely a joke .. don't look too deep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Cheers. Still, that's a new saying on me. Never heard it before! If relates to the fact that she could earn more but chooses not to, therefore making it more difficult for herself, then I think her decision has more to do with supporting the NHS. It's something that doctors feel passionately about. Then either they, or you as a supporter, need to put forward a credible case as to how the new arrangements compromise patient care. Once again: Basic pay for doctors up 13%. No doctor to work more than 72 hours in a week (down from 91) More doctors available on Saturdays (at the expense of very slightly fewer Monday to Friday). No doctor will be required to work 2 Saturdays on the trot. So it's not like they never get a Saturday off. Perhaps the workings of a hospital mean that it is better to have many doctors Monday to Friday and few on Saturday. Perhaps a doctor who voluntarily does 91 hours in a week is somehow better than one who does 72 under compulsion. It's not impossible that somehow, due to some subtlety of the workings of doctoring in hospitals that has not occurred to me, that this new arrangement is bad for patients. It's hard to see how, but I'm listening. All I'm getting is vague hysterical assertions that their actions are somehow to "save" the NHS. I'm unconvinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Then either they, or you as a supporter, need to put forward a credible case as to how the new arrangements compromise patient care. Once again: Basic pay for doctors up 13%. No doctor to work more than 72 hours in a week (down from 91) More doctors available on Saturdays (at the expense of very slightly fewer Monday to Friday). No doctor will be required to work 2 Saturdays on the trot. So it's not like they never get a Saturday off. Perhaps the workings of a hospital mean that it is better to have many doctors Monday to Friday and few on Saturday. Perhaps a doctor who voluntarily does 91 hours in a week is somehow better than one who does 72 under compulsion. It's not impossible that somehow, due to some subtlety of the workings of doctoring in hospitals that has not occurred to me, that this new arrangement is bad for patients. It's hard to see how, but I'm listening. All I'm getting is vague hysterical assertions that their actions are somehow to "save" the NHS. I'm unconvinced. There's a world of difference between a junior doctor working longer hours if they want to, and one being forced to work longer hours. Also, if many departments are struggling to find enough medical staff to currently cover their rotas, then how will they be able to put less staff on during the week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 There's a world of difference between a junior doctor working longer hours if they want to, and one being forced to work longer hours. Right. That's a legitimate point. It has to weighed of course against the world of difference between being treated by a doctor who's done a 91 hour week and one who's done 72. And the world of difference between being treated by a doctor on Saturday who's a bit miffed at having to be at work and not being treated at all. Still a valid point. Is that what the BMA or the doctors themselves have said, or is it your own speculation? Also, if many departments are struggling to find enough medical staff to currently cover their rotas, then how will they be able to put less staff on during the week? They can move activity (operations, training etc) from Monday-Friday to Saturday. The activity can follow the doctors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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