Undercover relationships

[El Cid]

The whole thing looks like a big waste of tax payers money from start to finish.

 

Indeed, the tax payer has fathered a child. That is really expensive.

 

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It is not uncommon to project a contrived image of ourselves, especially in front of the opposite sex.

 

If your employer told you to make babies, who is responsible for them, and who is responsible for the act that created them?

[cassity]

I'm really good at psychology.

 

We're the ladies good looking? If they were you can kind of understand the actions of the coppers.

 

So, the psychology is.. a woman has to be good looking in order to impregnate them? Or cops only go for hoods with good looking women?

Using your logic, do coppers avoid arresting good looking women because of their looks also, and as a bonus give em one?

 

You were taught psychology where?...Dahn pub maybe?

[runningman1]

So, the psychology is.. a woman has to be good looking in order to impregnate them? Or cops only go for hoods with good looking women?

Using your logic, do coppers avoid arresting good looking women because of their looks also, and as a bonus give em one?

 

You were taught psychology where?...Dahn pub maybe?

 

No, at university.

 

The psychology is that men are more drawn towards physical factors than ladies are. So a man is more likely to be tempted to sleep with a person just based on their looks than a lady will.

 

Good looking people of both genders are indeed less likely to be arrested as well as being the recepients of significant positive bias with juries. It is to do with honesty, good looking people are perceived as more honest than ugly people, this is not just sexual. Heterosexual males are almost as bias towards good looking men as they are towards good looking women for example. We have gone off track a bit but if you are interested use google to find out more. Thoroughly interesting.

 

With regards to the story, I feel sorry for the child alone in all of this.

[Mister M]

I could also feel sorry for the police officers involved too. I heard one of the women saying how she was being lied to, lived with a stranger; and other disparaging things about the police officer involved.

 

I wonder if the police involved may have developed real feelings for the women and also the children that they fathered? I would suspect so. To a degree, these officers themselves were abused be their superiors when they asked (or expected) them to act as spies.

 

I disagree with this.

 

Part of being a professional (which a police officer is supposed to be) is to be able to keep their personal feelings in check, and not abuse their position.

 

I know that there are codes of conduct for those who work in public services such as teaching, counselling, medicine, and social care which expressly forbid developing intimate relationships with those who they are working with. Why should the police be any different?

 

Some of my antipathy stems from the many other instances where police officers have being found wanting (such as the many deaths of people that have occurred whilst people are detained by the police), yet there have been few, if any dismissals from police officers, let alone convictions.

[Eater Sundae]

They had consensual sex, they just didn't know the true occupation of the person they were having sex with. If every man who'd ever lied about his occupation in order to impress a woman was arrested for rape, the courts would get awfully crowded.

 

 

 

 

Yes, in future all undercover officers should be required to wear hi-viz jackets with "UNDERCOVER POLICE OFFICER" clearly written on them. To avoid ambiguity.

 

***** me. Is everyone taking stupid pills today?

 

The woman who pretended to be a man to have sex was jailed. That was consensual sex.

[flamingjimmy]

I am sure it was difficult for the policemen too.

There should be much more to this story, one woman that had a baby to a policeman was a hunt saboteur.

Why was such a thing getting so much effort put into it, when police are so scarce on the ground.

 

Because hunt saboteurs are a problem for rich people.

[cassity]

No, at university.

 

It's ok, you don't have to stupify me into bed..I'm a fella .

 

The psychology is that men are more drawn towards physical factors than ladies are. So a man is more likely to be tempted to sleep with a person just based on their looks than a lady will.

 

 

So psychologically men objectify their prey as a process to bed a woman, and at the same time by default self underachieve by additionally lying. Could you tell us what it is that you lack in order for your need to lie? Are some men really that dull?

[Waldo]

I disagree with this.

 

Part of being a professional (which a police officer is supposed to be) is to be able to keep their personal feelings in check, and not abuse their position.

 

I know that there are codes of conduct for those who work in public services such as teaching, counselling, medicine, and social care which expressly forbid developing intimate relationships with those who they are working with. Why should the police be any different?

 

Some of my antipathy stems from the many other instances where police officers have being found wanting (such as the many deaths of people that have occurred whilst people are detained by the police), yet there have been few, if any dismissals from police officers, let alone convictions.

 

I think we probably have a relatively decent police service (if you contrast with the levels of corruption and brutality of police services in other countries). They're not perfect of course; and never can be, not while their numbers are made up of people from general population!

 

We shouldn't be so quick to judge though, not without being in possession of the full facts...

 

In a situation where a police officer is being told to do something unethical, and may well be 'pushed' out of the service if they don't; what's a guy to do? I suspect there is very much a culture in the police service of do what you're told, don't question it, there is no room for moralising. Just like in the armed forces; they're not so bothered about taking on and keeping ethical individuals, they want capable and obedient ones (thought to be fair, I imagine if you're wholly unethical, you may be struggling to get a foot in the door).

[Mister M]

I think we probably have a relatively decent police service (if you contrast with the levels of corruption and brutality of police services in other countries). They're not perfect of course; and never can be, not while their numbers are made up of people from general population!

 

We shouldn't be so quick to judge though, not without being in possession of the full facts...

 

In a situation where a police officer is being told to do something unethical, and may well be 'pushed' out of the service if they don't; what's a guy to do? I suspect there is very much a culture in the police service of do what you're told, don't question it, there is no room for moralising. Just like in the armed forces; they're not so bothered about taking on and keeping ethical individuals, they want capable and obedient ones (thought to be fair, I imagine if you're wholly unethical, you may be struggling to get a foot in the door).

 

True, we don't know the full facts. We don't know if there was pressure placed on the undercover officers to form sexual relationships with those that they were spying on.

But Scotland Yard are clear that the women were deceived, and other officers "could" face prosecution.

 

There may be no room for 'moralising' in the police force, but there is room for integrity. I would rather have a police service that behaved with integrity, than one that bends the rules to get what ever conclusion they want.

 

There are just too many gross incidents constantly seeping out about the police, including Hillsborough, to Rotherham, to deaths in custody, and taking backhanders from scuzzy tabloid reporters for information. And no-one has any confidence in the IPCC.

[Waldo]

True, we don't know the full facts. We don't know if there was pressure placed on the undercover officers to form sexual relationships with those that they were spying on.

But Scotland Yard are clear that the women were deceived, and other officers "could" face prosecution.

 

There may be no room for 'moralising' in the police force, but there is room for integrity. I would rather have a police service that behaved with integrity, than one that bends the rules to get what ever conclusion they want.

 

There are just too many gross incidents constantly seeping out about the police, including Hillsborough, to Rotherham, to deaths in custody, and taking backhanders from scuzzy tabloid reporters for information. And no-one has any confidence in the IPCC.

 

I wouldn't take Scotland Yard at their word; or trust that they're not just throwing a few lower ranked individuals under the bus, in order to protect the bacon of the higher ups.

 

In an ideal world, people would place more emphasis on integrity and ethical behaviour, than on obedience and loyalty (where the object of that obedience is itself not entirely ethical). However, I guess we live in a world that rewards obedience and loyalty, more than integrity; and people need to put roofs over their heads and food on their tables.

 

Anyhow, what do I know?!