Turko-Russian powder-keg

[PeteMorris]

Back it up Pete and put it into context.

 

Eh?....The only context needed is that Putin is actually right about oil...Be it illicit or government sanctioned is passing through Turkey....They could easily stop it, so why haven't they?

 

Just to add : http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/19/-sp-islamic-state-oil-empire-iraq-isis

[geared]

The first question is whether the oil being smuggled via Turkey is a significant amount, then id agree with you is whether its sanctioned by the Turkish government or its just individuals on a small scale.

 

Well a similar question is 'Where do you think it's going?'

 

Given they don't have an advanced or sophisticated transportation system, and no access to a port for ships, then there's only so many places it can actually go.

 

Into Iraq, into Turkey or into Syria.

 

IS is at war with all of them, but still managing to sell them millions of barrels of oil at the same time.

[JFKvsNixon]

Well a similar question is 'Where do you think it's going?'

 

Given they don't have an advanced or sophisticated transportation system, and no access to a port for ships, then there's only so many places it can actually go.

 

Into Iraq, into Turkey or into Syria.

 

IS is at war with all of them, but still managing to sell them millions of barrels of oil at the same time.

 

There are plenty of unscrupulous people around who are always on the lookout for a nice tidy profit.

[PeteMorris]

In response to Tigger999...You only have to look in google and there's dozens of examples of Iraqi and Syrian oil being smuggled into Turkey, to which they turn a blind eye. So it's not in my vivid imagination or Putins.

 

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/09/turkey-iraq-syria-krg-isis-oil-hostages.html#

[999tigger]

Eh?....The only context needed is that Putin is actually right about oil...Be it illicit or government sanctioned is passing through Turkey....They could easily stop it, so why haven't they?

 

Just to add : http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/19/-sp-islamic-state-oil-empire-iraq-isis

 

Context as in proportion.

 

If its 50% plus and sanctioned by the Turkish government then he has a point.

 

If its a few % and a few black market tankers, then he's overegging it.

 

Its not easy to put a stop to black market activity and smugglers. Iy would be easy if it was an official government pipeline.

 

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Well a similar question is 'Where do you think it's going?'

 

Given they don't have an advanced or sophisticated transportation system, and no access to a port for ships, then there's only so many places it can actually go.

 

Into Iraq, into Turkey or into Syria.

 

IS is at war with all of them, but still managing to sell them millions of barrels of oil at the same time.

 

It would seem a lot of the oil is being sold within Syria to all factions and to factions in Iraq. Its going by entrepeneurs and middlelmen who keep selling it on until it reaches its destination.

[PeteMorris]

Context as in proportion.

 

If its 50% plus and sanctioned by the Turkish government then he has a point.

 

If its a few % and a few black market tankers, then he's overegging it.

 

Its not easy to put a stop to black market activity and smugglers. Iy would be easy if it was an official government pipeline.

 

---------- Post added 24-11-2015 at 15:54 ----------

 

 

It would seem a lot of the oil is being sold within Syria to all factions and to factions in Iraq. Its going by entrepeneurs and middlelmen who keep selling it on until it reaches its destination.

 

Well they're obviously selling millions of barrels of it to someone, and there aren't too many suspects, lets face it!

[999tigger]

In response to Tigger999...You only have to look in google and there's dozens of examples of Iraqi and Syrian oil being smuggled into Turkey, to which they turn a blind eye. So it's not in my vivid imagination or Putins.

 

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/09/turkey-iraq-syria-krg-isis-oil-hostages.html#

 

Good article and it addresses a lot of pertinent questions. Its still no clear how much of that trade is going via Turkey and how much remains in Syria.

 

The Financial Times has done some interesting analysis of how the ISIS oil network operates.

http://ig.ft.com/sites/2015/isis-oil/

 

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b8234932-719b-11e5-ad6d-f4ed76f0900a.html#axzz3sQFyQTI5

 

JFK or Loob you might find it a worthwhile read.

[JFKvsNixon]

Well they're obviously selling millions of barrels of it to someone, and there aren't too many suspects, lets face it!

 

I'm guessing that the oil gets sold on a few times, until it's impossible to work out where it originates from, and then it'll gets processed.

[exxon]

Based on what? How much of ISIS oil output is Turkey buying? What are you basing your claims on?

 

It's not exactly rocket science. There are regular convoys of around 500 tankers taking oil across the border into Turkey. It's pretty hard to keep secret as it stands out rather more than a couple of hundred fags in your suitcase.

 

Much of this agro kicked off a couple of weeks ago when the Russians took out the convoy on its way to the border crossing.

[JFKvsNixon]

Good article and it addresses a lot of pertinent questions. Its still no clear how much of that trade is going via Turkey and how much remains in Syria.

 

The Financial Times has done some interesting analysis of how the ISIS oil network operates.

http://ig.ft.com/sites/2015/isis-oil/

 

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b8234932-719b-11e5-ad6d-f4ed76f0900a.html#axzz3sQFyQTI5

 

JFK or Loob you might find it a worthwhile read.

 

Nice articles, well worth a read. They explain the situation well.