bookbinder Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 What is theft by finding ,what happened to finders keepers losers weepers, if you find a tenner on the floor is this theft by finding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 What is theft by finding ,what happened to finders keepers losers weepers, if you find a tenner on the floor is this theft by finding. Well it's not yours is it?...I think you'd have to take steps to find the owner,I suppose you could hand it in to a police station and if no-one claimed it within a certain time then it'd be yours.. Sorry it's only a wiki but.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 It's usually used when they suspect you've stolen something, but there isn't quite enough evidence to make it stick. The person charged puts forward the story "oh well I just found it on the ground" The police can then say, well since you made no attempt to 'hand it in' then it's theft by finding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtkate Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Technically. It all comes down to what you were thinking at the time. Really hard to explain. I know this isn't directly related to your question but it's the best way I can explain: Your neighbour borrows your lawnmower with your permission. They break it and refuse to pay to fix it or replace it. You go around the their property and take a bicycle of similar value, sell it, and repair your lawnmower. You thought you were legally justified in doing that as you were only getting the value of your property back. You would be unlikely to be charged with theft in this case. If you'd taken something of much greater value and pocketed the difference, then it would be theft as you've changed the overall balance of the situation. Now, with a £10 on the street, you would have to be able to prove that you made nearby enquiries as to the owner and these failed therefore the odds of finding the owner of the tenner is so remote that it cannot be classed of theft as there HAS to be a rightful owner in the first place for you to be able to steal something. Short answer, you find a tenner on the road, it's yours and not theft. You find a wallet on the road with a tenner in an a drivers license, it IS theft as that identifies the likely owner. Law is HARD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 What is theft by finding ,what happened to finders keepers losers weepers, if you find a tenner on the floor is this theft by finding. Yes it is theft, and finders keepers is a child's rhyme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Technically. It all comes down to what you were thinking at the time. Really hard to explain. I know this isn't directly related to your question but it's the best way I can explain: Your neighbour borrows your lawnmower with your permission. They break it and refuse to pay to fix it or replace it. You go around the their property and take a bicycle of similar value, sell it, and repair your lawnmower. You thought you were legally justified in doing that as you were only getting the value of your property back. You would be unlikely to be charged with theft in this case. If you'd taken something of much greater value and pocketed the difference, then it would be theft as you've changed the overall balance of the situation. Now, with a £10 on the street, you would have to be able to prove that you made nearby enquiries as to the owner and these failed therefore the odds of finding the owner of the tenner is so remote that it cannot be classed of theft as there HAS to be a rightful owner in the first place for you to be able to steal something. Short answer, you find a tenner on the road, it's yours and not theft. You find a wallet on the road with a tenner in an a drivers license, it IS theft as that identifies the likely owner. Law is HARD. I dont know where all that came from but it's so wrong it is rather worrying. Go round to a house and remove a bicycle, that will get you charged with burglary as well as theft. You dont get to right a civil wrong by a criminial one. Tenner on the road? The only legal recourse apart from leaving it there, is to hand it in to the local police station. After a suitable period of time it's yours. Makes no odds if it's in a wallet or not. Theft is the dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another with an intent to permanantly deprive the owner of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtkate Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I dont know where all that came from but it's so wrong it is rather worrying. Go round to a house and remove a bicycle, that will get you charged with burglary as well as theft. You dont get to right a civil wrong by a criminial one. Tenner on the road? The only legal recourse apart from leaving it there, is to hand it in to the local police station. After a suitable period of time it's yours. Makes no odds if it's in a wallet or not. Theft is the dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another with an intent to permanantly deprive the owner of it. From a police training course...And it was an actual case in Sheffield where the guy wasn't charged. The lawnmower case anyway. Not the tenner one. Another one for you: A guy walked into Boots and took a tester bottle of perfume. He was not charged with theft. Why? Because the bottle said 'feel free to try' he genuinely thought he was ok to take it with him. Law is about guilty act AND guilty mind. Seriously if the police CANNOT prove you intended to steal something and understood what you were doing was theft then they cannot charge you. In theory you could get away with shooting someone if you could prove you didn't realise it was wrong. You'd probably be sectioned mind you instead. ---------- Post added 15-12-2015 at 12:08 ---------- Basic definition of theft: A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly. Key word: dishonestly - meaning knew it was wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookbinder Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 Well i am going with the childs story and if i find a tenner on the floor i am going to keep it ,because if i go and ask have you lost a tenner they are going to say yes say thanks and put it in there pocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imjustagirl Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Whilst I wouldn't feel comfortable pocketing the tenner,it would cost more money in my time,and even in police time to hand it in. And then what are the odds of someone actually phoning the Police over a lost tenner?,so that's more Police time booking the thing back out again. Stick it in a charity box:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtkate Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'm honestly a little confused now. I would have sworn we were taught about whether finding a tenner on the street would be considered theft by police and were told no unless the finder knew where it had come from. Appears my memory is tarnished. However, there haven't been any prosecution I couldn't find for finding and keeping small amounts of money found on the street. The other 2 cases were genuine though. ---------- Post added 15-12-2015 at 12:26 ---------- Whilst I wouldn't feel comfortable pocketing the tenner,it would cost more money in my time,and even in police time to hand it in. And then what are the odds of someone actually phoning the Police over a lost tenner?,so that's more Police time booking the thing back out again. Stick it in a charity box:P Yeah that's what I'd do if I was under £50. Over that I probably would hand it into the police but god knows what they'd do to find the owner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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