Campaign grows to switch the building of HS2 station to Sheffield city

[sadbrewer]

With respect, I don't think you are understanding the issues very well at all. Even with a space age massive HS2 station 60 metres above Midland station on a futuristic viaduct, the train would not be travelling at 200 mph and then stopping at Sheffield. It would still be slowing down miles before the outskirts of Chesterfield so that a sudden braking was avoided which would cause injury and damage to contents and passengers.

At ground level the slowing down has to happen much earlier as passing through a built up area you cannot push a train through at enormous velocity as it would cause noise, wind and disturbance to people and other vehicles in the vicinity. High speeds would only be possible, as they are today on the HS1 in the remote countryside on very straight flat sections of the route where the up and down lines have a wide gap between them..

With all that in mind and the need for a transfer to a slow train to go from Meadowhall to Sheffield which would have been on a different grade, requiring an escalator, stairs or a lift to get to, the difference will probably be minimal between walking out onto the Midland Station Concourse with a HS2 station at Meadowhall and one via a Conventional section through chesterfield and the sheaf valley.

 

I'm not afraid to say I understand the issues very well...I have been discussing them with senior engineers of HS2 and representatives of the DfT for some time . HS2 are quite clear that these trains do not cause a problem with either noise or buffeting of the air to cause disturbance in built up areas . Their roadshow sound booth 'proved' that the noise was virtually inaudible . In fact the well discussed Shimmer Estate is to get full speed HS2 right through the Estate of 211 homes on a viaduct above the line of their upstairs bedroom windows. If the ridiculous 16 properties to be demolished is accepted as a fact, many homes will be less than 15 metres from the track.

Edited July 17, 2017 by sadbrewer

[samssong]

That does not really apply here since they are newish houses.

The farming family that built their house with their own hands then brought their kids up on their land will not agree.

 

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With respect, I don't think you are understanding the issues very well at all. Even with a space age massive HS2 station 60 metres above Midland station on a futuristic viaduct, the train would not be travelling at 200 mph and then stopping at Sheffield. It would still be slowing down miles before the outskirts of Chesterfield so that a sudden braking was avoided which would cause injury and damage to contents and passengers.

At ground level the slowing down has to happen much earlier as passing through a built up area you cannot push a train through at enormous velocity as it would cause noise, wind and disturbance to people and other vehicles in the vicinity. High speeds would only be possible, as they are today on the HS1 in the remote countryside on very straight flat sections of the route where the up and down lines have a wide gap between them..

With all that in mind and the need for a transfer to a slow train to go from Meadowhall to Sheffield which would have been on a different grade, requiring an escalator, stairs or a lift to get to, the difference will probably be minimal between walking out onto the Midland Station Concourse with a HS2 station at Meadowhall and one via a Conventional section through chesterfield and the sheaf valley.

 

So how much time out of our lives will all these billions of pounds spent save us.

Mean while over at the N.H.S:help:

[Annie Bynnol]

The farming family that built their house with their own hands then brought their kids up on their land will not agree.

 

Does this farming family actually exist? Is it the same one as had a motorway, factory, housing estate, airport extension, nuclear power station, road junction, motorway services, warehouse, etc., built on their land? Their sacrifice knows no bounds.

 

'The Waltons' image of the agriculture business should have ended with that programme in 1981.

 

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Mean while over at the N.H.S:

 

...they are waiting for the money that was promised them by the 'brexiteers'.

[Eccy Beach]

Irrespective of the route of HS2 I just don't see the need for it. My work takes me to London on a regular basis, 40 mins off the journey time isn't that bigger deal - given the money being spent on this I'd have rather seen it spent on free high speed Wi-Fi for the trains to ensure I can work on the train.

 

I suspect that could have been done a lot cheaper than HS2

[LeMaquis]

You cannot blame the Tories for this......... Now the government have taken that away for us.

 

Duuuuurrrrrr.

[alchemist]

Putting it in meadowhall defeats the whole idea of the project. Whats the point of shaving 20mins of the length of a journey only to then have to wait in Meadowhall for a tram with your suitcases and then a 20min tram journey into sheffield.

 

People will just end up getting the normal train.

 

I think you will find that what they WOULD have done is wait the few mins for the next train to Sheffield centre taking about 5 mins travel. But still, thats all academic now isnt it?

 

Please tell me how the new proposal is better than the Meadowhall one?

 

BTW, what IS the travel time from Chesterfield at the moment?

[Guest sibon]

Irrespective of the route of HS2 I just don't see the need for it. My work takes me to London on a regular basis, 40 mins off the journey time isn't that bigger deal - given the money being spent on this I'd have rather seen it spent on free high speed Wi-Fi for the trains to ensure I can work on the train.

 

I suspect that could have been done a lot cheaper than HS2

 

Would a more frequent service help you?

[alchemist]

Tinsley have more need to have immediate access to HS2 than the city centre because......?

 

Because those in the city centre can travel to tinsley to get it. Are you happy now you have to travel the CHESTERFIELD to get it???

 

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I dont care about Rotherham and Barnsley. I live in Sheffield.

 

Ahh, an excellent sod you jack im all right attitude. Are you celebrating now its in Chesterfield?

 

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People always on here moaning about the death of the city centre and now they want to move a major railway development out to meadowhall.

 

Do you think Leeds would allow their HS2 station to be in Headingley?

 

OK, i will bite. How would having an HS2 staion in the centre have helped? There is no parking, no capacity for rebuilding, roads to it are awful. Oh, hang on, would you have been one of those advocating demolishing Sheffield Hallam and the technology parks for the extra car parking and 50 story office blocks for the non-existent jobs?

 

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No it doesn't.

 

Err, yes. A slow speed spur line with reduced train numbers, is NOT HS2!!!

[sgtkate]

Electrification to Bedford was completed in 1983.

As Blue Day said, the thought of paying an arm and a leg for a HS2 ticket will look less inviting if journey times are reduced by an electrified Midland Main Line.

Perhaps they'll ditch the electrification plans as a way of "encouraging" us to use HS2. They'll need to claw back the wasted billions from somewhere...

 

Like when they brought in a 50mph speed limit enforced by LOTS of cameras on the A38 when the M6 toll opened?

[Eccy Beach]

Would a more frequent service help you?

 

Not particularly - I never struggle to either book a seat or get to London in time for meetings and back home at a reasonable time, I'd just rather make the most of the 2 hours on the train without having to fork out money for it every time.