Campaign grows to switch the building of HS2 station to Sheffield city

[Annie Bynnol]

I'm surprised no-one else picked up on this. I don't understand the need for HS2 if the line is electrified. 2hr to London from Sheffield right now is not a great deal and it'd be less than that when electrified. People spend longer than that commuting into London every day.

 

As for the bridge over the station, well maybe if more train managers did their jobs and actually checked tickets they'd get more revenue from people not paying. The only other solution would be to sort the main/parcel/whatever bridge to be the bridge to get to platforms and just make the current one go straight through. I remember they did this when they were refurbishing the station many years ago.

 

As you may have heard the electrification will not take place.

Current journey times were already due to increase because of timetable and speed restrictions south of Bedford.

The Government are correct in saying that the new Bi modes will reduce journey times but only between Nottingham and London where they replace 40year old HSTs.

Elsewhere an electric train carrying its own generator and fuel will have no advantage over the present trains.

[Guest]

I'm not exactly sure what your point is, perhaps I've misunderstood. HS2 is about increasing capacity and expanding infrastructure not cutting the time between Sheffield and London.

 

But aren't they trying to shove HS2 down the same lines into Midland Station or to build another line? You sometimes already have to wait to get into the station.

[Annie Bynnol]

But aren't they trying to shove HS2 down the same lines into Midland Station or to build another line? You sometimes already have to wait to get into the station.

 

Yes they will have to be more HS2 trains travelling from Chesterfield (nearer Clay Cross) to Sheffield and extra Manchester trains from Dore.

There is plenty of space for a third or forth track except between Staveley and Dore and at the South end of Sheffield station.

 

There are no plans for the two longer dedicated HS2 platforms in Sheffield.

There are no plans to cope with the extra reversing or terminating Manchester services.

There are no plans to cope with the longer trains and extra platforms needed for the services to Barnsley, Doncaster, Worksop etc.

There are no plans to deal with the traffic jam which is now the situation at the north end or how the HS2 gets through there to Leeds.

There are no plans for any extra Supertram routes or park and rides.

 

Personally I believe that HS2 will be built to Birmingham then Manchester. The Eastern section will be abandoned as there are no full HS2 services to Nottingham, Derby or Sheffield and no longer any prospect of extending the route to Newcastle and Scotland. Also Stagecoach is unable to make a profit on its East Coast line to Leeds, pressure will be on to avoid a third nationalization of that route.

[pss60]

Yes they will have to be more HS2 trains travelling from Chesterfield (nearer Clay Cross) to Sheffield and extra Manchester trains from Dore.

There is plenty of space for a third or forth track except between Staveley and Dore and at the South end of Sheffield station.

 

There are no plans for the two longer dedicated HS2 platforms in Sheffield.

There are no plans to cope with the extra reversing or terminating Manchester services.

There are no plans to cope with the longer trains and extra platforms needed for the services to Barnsley, Doncaster, Worksop etc.

There are no plans to deal with the traffic jam which is now the situation at the north end or how the HS2 gets through there to Leeds.

There are no plans for any extra Supertram routes or park and rides.

 

Personally I believe that HS2 will be built to Birmingham then Manchester. The Eastern section will be abandoned as there are no full HS2 services to Nottingham, Derby or Sheffield and no longer any prospect of extending the route to Newcastle and Scotland. Also Stagecoach is unable to make a profit on its East Coast line to Leeds, pressure will be on to avoid a third nationalization of that route.

It is Virgin who run the line to Leeds. And that line is profitable. After London to Birmingham and London to Manchester it is the third most profitable.

[Chez2]

HS2 is about supporters of the tories and their cohorts trousering millions of pounds .

 

What? You need to take more water with it!

[Annie Bynnol]

It is Virgin who run the line to Leeds. And that line is profitable. After London to Birmingham and London to Manchester it is the third most profitable.

 

" Profits at Stagecoach plummeted by more than 80 per cent after being hit by exceptional charges over the loss-making East Coast main line franchise." June 29 2017

 

Stagecoach 90% operate the ECML including routes to Leeds and Scotland. Virgin have a 10% stake for the brand name. Has nothing whatsoever to do with Virgin West Coast mainline.

 

Stagecoach are actively seeking to renegotiate their ECML contract as did GNER and National Express before.

Edited July 22, 2017 by Annie Bynnol

[tinfoilhat]

But aren't they trying to shove HS2 down the same lines into Midland Station or to build another line? You sometimes already have to wait to get into the station.

 

Yes, because SCC tried to get the station moved from the Meadowhall site resulting in the final dogs breakfast for Sheffield. Every other region has done ok.

 

But is Chez2 points out (as have loads of people on this thread) it's about capacity. Long distance train journeys have doubled since 1990. You think that rate is going to stop?

[Annie Bynnol]

Yes, because SCC tried to get the station moved from the Meadowhall site resulting in the final dogs breakfast for Sheffield. Every other region has done ok.

 

But is Chez2 points out (as have loads of people on this thread) it's about capacity. Long distance train journeys have doubled since 1990. You think that rate is going to stop?

 

No matter how many posts are made SCC nothing to do with a Midland station option or being moved from Meadowhall.

£ billion pound saving is the motivator.

[Cyclone]

Perhaps if SCC had been behind Meadowhall and campaigning FOR the station there then cost saving wouldn't have been enough to bypass Sheffield and the entire S Yorks region.

[Phili Buster]

Train stations are an ancient way of transfer. The modern way will be syncing parallel trains to transfer passengers onto the fast moving carriages then the transfer station train slowing to stop at the next of two connected stations then back along the same line in the opposite direction to transfer onto the none stop fast train in the opposite direction.

Train station Hah!

 

Perhaps they could use a system, for picking up / dropping off passengers, similar to the method previously used to pick up and drop off mail bags used by Mail Trains. That way there should not be a need to slow and stop for passengers to board / alight at stations. There is the possibility for many more such 'transfer' locations than stations and at much less cost than building special stations for HS2 trains.

 

I admit there may be a couple of slight problems but nothing that the experts should be able to quickly sort out