Campaign grows to switch the building of HS2 station to Sheffield city

[Baron99]

15 hours ago, Bigal1 said:

Goodness me have the Star only just realised that Sheffield is the biggest city without an electrified network

 

As for the line not reaching Sheffield well I will join Tinfoilhat

 

Cyclecar: bi modes are readily available today and current thinking is electric with battery for non electrified sections

 

It is all very well talking about upgrading cross pennine routes but there ain't going to be much spare cash for Sheffield by the time they have done the line from Leeds to Manchester

My bold. 

 

And let's not forget an airport as well...a proper ring road... 

[BigAl1]

6 hours ago, Baron99 said:

My bold. 

 

And let's not forget an airport as well...a proper ring road... 

Could not even find somewhere to tie up my horse at the weekend when trying to visit the Market

[Hopman]

4 hours ago, Bigal1 said:

Could not even find somewhere to tie up my horse at the weekend when trying to visit the Market

Horse!

We had sixteen of us on a donkey and still couldn't find anywhere.

[BigAl1]

20 hours ago, Hopman said:

Horse!

We had sixteen of us on a donkey and still couldn't find anywhere.

there is room at the inn I believe but unfortunately the road is closed to donkeys and only open to cyclists

 

I wonder however if we are moving off topic a little and are about to get an admonishment from on high

Edited December 15, 2020 by Bigal1

[Planner1]

On 12/12/2020 at 14:53, Annie Bynnol said:

Purely a crayon doodle -none of this is happening unless it includes Manchester ie Manchester Leeds electrification, Manchester HS2 and Manchester Piccadilly 15&16. There will be no such thing as HS3. 

Early this year I saw detailed options plans for the West Yorkshire elements of NPR and discussed them with the teams who were designing it. Looked considerably more than a "crayon doodle".

 

 

On 12/12/2020 at 14:53, Annie Bynnol said:

Who will mop up the money? Manchester and Leeds.

 

Yes, because they are bigger and more vibrant than Sheffield

[S1 1DJ]

On 13/12/2020 at 11:44, Bigal1 said:

Goodness me have the Star only just realised that Sheffield is the biggest city without an electrified network

 

As for the line not reaching Sheffield well I will join Tinfoilhat

 

Cyclecar: bi modes are readily available today and current thinking is electric with battery for non electrified sections

 

It is all very well talking about upgrading cross pennine routes but there ain't going to be much spare cash for Sheffield by the time they have done the line from Leeds to Manchester

Sheffield may never end up getting electrified, especially if HS2, in some form doesn't go ahead. 

GWR and Hitachi are looking at running tri-mode trains for the remainder of the Dawlish route, where electrification is non-existent, and a mix of diesel and battery is to be used. Apparently, the battery will reduce 20% emissions, and by 2040 they expect to be able to use a fully battery powered train.
 

Other uses of non diesel power are being trialled with solar on South West Trains in a small section and hydrogen.

Edited December 17, 2020 by S1 1DJ

[BigAl1]

17 minutes ago, S1 1DJ said:

Sheffield may never end up getting electrified, especially if HS2, in some form doesn't go ahead. 

GWR and Hitachi are looking at running tri-mode trains for the remainder of the Dawlish route, where electrification is non-existent, and a mix of diesel and battery is to be used. Apparently, the battery will reduce 20% emissions, and by 2040 they expect to be able to use a fully battery powered train.
 

Other uses of non diesel power are being trialled with solar on South West Trains in a small section and hydrogen.

I would be skeptical about the idea of battery trains being able to power the non electrified route(s) to the South West by 2040 it is just too far and I wonder with all that weight of the batteries on top of the diesel engine and fuel if a 20% saving is achievable on the IETs

 

assuming the govt. still  want to go carbon free then electrification of Sheffield is the only sensible option. However I did say sensible although if it was possible for batteries to power to Penzance then that would make it possible to reach Sheffield

 

A you say much work is going on both with batteries and hydrogen development and I am sure that we will see far greater use of batteries for the shorter non electrified routes  and possibly on a few rural longer distance routes but I do not see it being viable on the InterCity  services any time soon -

 

 

[geared]

Sensible went out the window a long time ago.

[sedith]

Pipe dreams, its never going to happen. The UK is effectively bankrupt. These HS2 trains ferrying people down to London, what happens on the London to Sheffield at 10.30am, is it going to run empty. Who the hell wants to travel up to the north at 10.30am? It is truly madness. The HS2 would have to keep stopping to alight passengers? All this would be a one way transport from Leeds to Kings Cross/Euston/St Pancras. Crazy plan.

[Anna B]

6 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Early this year I saw detailed options plans for the West Yorkshire elements of NPR and discussed them with the teams who were designing it. Looked considerably more than a "crayon doodle".

 

 

Yes, because they are bigger and more vibrant than Sheffield

And always will be while Sheffield is being denied the funding for significant development and improvement.