Campaign grows to switch the building of HS2 station to Sheffield city

[alchemist]

As it seems that as all Sheffield can do is argue where the station is going to instead of being thankful that they are being given a station perhaps they should miss Sheffield out altogether and put the station in Barnsley

[Annie Bynnol]

A train going East to West will delay services running North South because it has to share the lines. It may be a direct crossing or a train that joins the main line from one side before diverting off at some other point. But any train heading from Lincolnshire or East Anglia and heading for Manchester, Liverpool, Wales, Birmingham or the West Country (or the other way round) will have to cross the East Coast Main line at some point.

 

It may well be that all trains from Sheffield to London currently stop at Chesterfield. HS2 won't. So if you currently find Chesterfield a useful place to get on a train heading for London, it is lkely to still be a handy place to get on a train for London rather than using the proposed very expensive HS2.

 

The majority of trains do not cross the ECML in the way you think.

Lincolnshire:

Soon most Northern Cleethorpes, Grimsby, Scunthorpe local trains will be using the new platform zero at Doncaster and will not cross the ECML.

Hull and Cleethorpes TPE trains will still have to cross by the ladder. Freight crosses by bridge.

Lincoln Sheffield trains cross under the ECML at Retford.

Lincoln Nottingham trains cross without sharing any track at the Newark level crossing.

 

East Anglia trains pass under the ECML at Peterborough heading for Manchester and Liverpool and Birmingham(for West Country and South and Mid Wales). East Anglia trains cross the ECML by flyover at Hitchin from London.

 

East Yorkshire:

Hull Leeds trains cross by bridge

Humber ports traffic crosses by bridges.

Northbound Selby traffic has to cross over.

 

 

Post HS2 the opportunities to use the MML increases dramatically as more stops and new stations at Dore, Clay Cross etc. stops at Ambergate for Matlock, Duffield, Bedford(for Oxford, Bournemouth and Brighton), Luton Airport, West Hampstead for Overground (Docklands, Clapham Junction).

Cambridge to Derby, Leicester to Manchester services etc.

[samssong]

The best location for the new station is Meadowhall.

There it will serve all of South Yorkshire also it will be easy for folk from North Derbyshire and Notts to reach via the M1.

Sheffield should stop bullying its neighbours and think of its social heritage ,share and share alike.

[smiggs]

The best location for the new station is Meadowhall.

There it will serve all of South Yorkshire also it will be easy for folk from North Derbyshire and Notts to reach via the M1.

Sheffield should stop bullying its neighbours and think of its social heritage ,share and share alike.

 

The council are thinking of the surrounding area, the whole area will benefit from the economic boast of the station being in Sheffield. The majority of the people who live in and around Sheffield will go to London no more than once a month but they all have to work for living and ideally I'm sure like to do that in the local area. The few minutes they lose in journey times to and from Sheffield will be more than made up by not having a longer commute to Leeds or Manchester every day or by simply making more money in a more competitive Labour market in Sheffield.

[nightrider]

As it seems that as all Sheffield can do is argue where the station is going to instead of being thankful that they are being given a station perhaps they should miss Sheffield out altogether and put the station in Barnsley

 

I think its a reasonable argument that if Leeds and Manchester get their own central stations, and Sheffield is bypassed by putting it all the way out at Meadowhall then Sheffield will be left behind whilst new business investment all goes into Leeds and Manchester city centre.

[Eater Sundae]

I think its a reasonable argument that if Leeds and Manchester get their own central stations, and Sheffield is bypassed by putting it all the way out at Meadowhall then Sheffield will be left behind whilst new business investment all goes into Leeds and Manchester city centre.

 

Couldn't Sheffield use a station at Meadowhall as a driver to regenerate the lower Don Valley and over towards Catcliffe (as well as Rotherham being able to regenerate as well).

 

Does Sheffield's development have to be concentrated in the city centre? Couldn't the city centre become more of a University area?

 

As I see it, the station could be in either place. The key will be the links from there. A terminal near Victoria Station is still not very handy for someone who needs to be at, say, the Town Hall or the University, and so transfer links are still required. Once you're beyond 400 to 500 m from the station, there will be a need/demand for further transport, so it all comes back to links.

[Annie Bynnol]

Couldn't Sheffield use a station at Meadowhall as a driver to regenerate the lower Don Valley and over towards Catcliffe (as well as Rotherham being able to regenerate as well).

 

Does Sheffield's development have to be concentrated in the city centre? Couldn't the city centre become more of a University area?

 

As I see it, the station could be in either place. The key will be the links from there. A terminal near Victoria Station is still not very handy for someone who needs to be at, say, the Town Hall or the University, and so transfer links are still required. Once you're beyond 400 to 500 m from the station, there will be a need/demand for further transport, so it all comes back to links.

 

Agree.

Sheffield never has had a city centre station in modern times.

From the 70s onward plans kept being produced to link the City centre with the remaining Midland station-including a monorail.

[Blackbeard]

Not allowing for any slippage in the building of the new rail system the network should be finished in 2034, 18 years from now. How has the world changed in the last 18 years? Will there still be a need for it 18 years time or will it be outdated before it is finished?

[smiggs]

Not allowing for any slippage in the building of the new rail system the network should be finished in 2034, 18 years from now. How has the world changed in the last 18 years? Will there still be a need for it 18 years time or will it be outdated before it is finished?

 

The advance of information technology has not stopped the the need for train travel so assuming

 

a) The advance of automation has not made all human labour entirely obsolete

b) We have not yet developed teleportation

 

We'll still be travelling by train, better that it's cutting edge train travel from the 2020s than cutting edge train travel from the 1950s.

 

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Couldn't Sheffield use a station at Meadowhall as a driver to regenerate the lower Don Valley and over towards Catcliffe (as well as Rotherham being able to regenerate as well).

 

Does Sheffield's development have to be concentrated in the city centre? Couldn't the city centre become more of a University area?

 

As I see it, the station could be in either place. The key will be the links from there. A terminal near Victoria Station is still not very handy for someone who needs to be at, say, the Town Hall or the University, and so transfer links are still required. Once you're beyond 400 to 500 m from the station, there will be a need/demand for further transport, so it all comes back to links.

 

Possibly but the council did a study and found that the not quite city centre location would bring more growth, than the Meadowhall location. If you have figures that contradict that then let's see 'em.

[geared]

As it seems that as all Sheffield can do is argue where the station is going to instead of being thankful that they are being given a station perhaps they should miss Sheffield out altogether and put the station in Barnsley

 

At this rate there won't be any station, the pig-headed council will cause such a fuss the government just won't bother building one here.