unbeliever Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) Disproportionate problem to what? The fraction of apparently mainstream muslims who turn to extremist violence and the magnitude of their extremism when they turn is far higher than for other religions. Now that you understand the statement, perhaps you'll address it. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 14:14 ---------- The fact there are muslims who are also evil or radicalised? I agree with that statement. Now you're playing games. Edited February 6, 2016 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbalharry Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Muslims being radicalised is a problem. It's a problem with extremist groups. Not a problem with Muslims or Islam. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 14:17 ---------- The fraction of apparently mainstream muslims who turn to extremist violence and the magnitude of their extremism when they turn is far higher than for other religions. Illustrated this is clearly not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Muslims being radicalised is a problem. It's a problem with extremist groups. Not a problem with Muslims or Islam. That statement makes no sense. Muslims are being radicalised at an alarming rate. This is a problem specific to Muslims and therefore specific to Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbalharry Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 All I'm saying is identify the correct source of prejudice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Illustrated this is clearly not the case. No such thing has been illustrated. And it could not be further from the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbalharry Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 That statement makes no sense. Muslims are being radicalised at an alarming rate. This is a problem specific to Muslims and therefore specific to Islam. It's a significant minority.already been through this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 All I'm saying is identify the correct source of prejudice. I have no idea what this statement means. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 14:20 ---------- It's a significant minority.already been through this And you're arguments on the matter have been countered. Yet you write as if they have not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbalharry Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 No such thing has been illustrated. And it could not be further from the truth. It's been illustrated that Christians have the capacity for evil like muslims. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 14:21 ---------- I have no idea what this statement means. It looks like many are blaming all muslims and the religion of Islam for extremist terrorism, exclusively. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 14:23 ---------- And that Muslims are responsible for terrorism...not true. Extremists are responsible, many moderate muslims denounce terrorism and live peacefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 that's a ridiculous argument - that's like saying if a rapist were taken from his parents at birth he wouldn't rape and his actions and choice were all down to his upbringing. If you bring boys up to not respect women then they are more likely to be rapists... it isn't a difficult concept. It doesn't mean that a child brought up in a loving family that teaches respect for women can't turn out to be a rapist but they are freaks of nature and not the product of nurture. The grossly disproportionate number of Muslim youth turning to extremism is clearly a result of the nurturing they receive. If the human race were a school it would be classed as failing if we look at the evidence based on the amount of damage we do to the planet, you're arguments are ludicrous. This is classic whataboutism. The fact that humans are not perfect, and there is no perfect culture, doesn't mean we cannot compare. In the non-Muslim West we have greater prosperity, equality, freedoms, peace and justice than in the Muslim world. Islam is a **** up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostRiders Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 If you bring boys up to not respect women then they are more likely to be rapists... it isn't a difficult concept. It doesn't mean that a child brought up in a loving family that teaches respect for women can't turn out to be a rapist but they are freaks of nature and not the product of nurture. The grossly disproportionate number of Muslim youth turning to extremism is clearly a result of the nurturing they receive[/Quote] There isn't a 'grossly disproportionate' number of Muslim youth turning to extremism. The majority of Muslim youth are just youth, doing youthy things. Aside from the fact that I'm pretty sure most rapists probably were brought up to respect women (as I'm sure most murderers were probably brought up not to murder) many Islamic extremists are white converts who weren't brought up in the culture - you just don't have an argument, repeating and rewording it doesn't make it valid. This is classic whataboutism. The fact that humans are not perfect, and there is no perfect culture, doesn't mean we cannot compare. In the non-Muslim West we have greater prosperity, equality, freedoms, peace and justice than in the Muslim world. Islam is a **** up. It's not a whataboutism at all, humans are made up of a balance of people, Muslims are made up of a balance of people, some Muslims are bad, so your argument goes we should get rid of Islam, some humans are bad so therefore... you really are a silly man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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