unbeliever Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Islam's a peaceful religion. Yet on the one hand you say there's something fundamentally wrong with Islam?? No it isn't. That's a preposterous thing to say in the light of Islam's history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) Islam's a peaceful religion. Yet on the one hand you say there's something fundamentally wrong with Islam?? Reasons why Islam is not a religion of peace Thousands of terror attacks committed in the name of Islam. Muhammad had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing Islam, a practice that is still carried out to this day because Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad. Muhammad said that he was ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger. In the last nine years of his life he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that. Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad and still do to this day. Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. Within 25 years of Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia. After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other. Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and their fellow Muslims explicitly in the name of Allah. Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad and is still done to this day. Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim. The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times. That said it does not mean that some Muslims are not peaceful or don't love non Muslims, Muslims that loves a non Muslims have more love to give than the God they worship, making them better than Allah. Edited February 6, 2016 by sutty27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Reasons why Islam is not a religion of peace Thousands of terror attacks committed in the name of Islam. Muhammad had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing Islam, a practice that is still carried out to this day because Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad. Muhammad said that he was ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger. In the last nine years of his life he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that. Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad and still do to this day. Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. Within 25 years of Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia. After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other. Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and their fellow Muslims explicitly in the name of Allah. Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad and is still done to this day. Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim. The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times. That said it does not mean that some Muslims are not peaceful or don't love non Muslims, Muslims that loves a non Muslims have more love to give than the God they worship, making them better than Allah. Great post. Says a lot really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Moderate Islam routinely denounces terrorist activity. What more are you expecting? Should your Muslim neighbour have to take up arms and go and fight against Daesh? Muslims living in the West shouldn't have to take up arms to fight extremism but, if they don't want to be associated with the violent extremism that plagues their religion, they should consider disassociating themselves from it. They need radical reform or they need to walk away. It isn't enough to simply say 'it isn't us' and to carry on as normal. The uncomfortable truth is that more Muslim youth have chosen to take up arms for barbaric Islamic extremist groups, than have joined the armed services of their adoptive country. There is something very wrong with what the Muslim neighbours are teaching their kids and I don't think it is unreasonable to demand better. We've had a war on terrorism since 9/11. If you mean what level of islamic terrorism will make us treat innocent people who are nowt to do with it like criminals because they are Muslims then i trust we won't be that daft. Your trust would be misplaced. Take a look through the history books and you will see the innocent always get caught up when there is conflict... and conflict is coming. Anger across Europe is spilling over into nationalism and violence and calls for tolerance are not stopping it. The only way to stop it is to stop the influx of Muslims and to insist on those already here integrating. Whilst some will see this as racist and unfair, it is nothing compared to the racism and unfairness that is coming if this doesn't happen. It is time for the liberals to compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Reasons why Islam is not a religion of peace Thousands of terror attacks committed in the name of Islam. Muhammad had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing Islam, a practice that is still carried out to this day because Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad. Muhammad said that he was ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger. In the last nine years of his life he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that. Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad and still do to this day. Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. Within 25 years of Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia. After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other. Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and their fellow Muslims explicitly in the name of Allah. Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad and is still done to this day. Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim. The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times. That said it does not mean that some Muslims are not peaceful or don't love non Muslims, Muslims that loves a non Muslims have more love to give than the God they worship, making them better than Allah. If you going to generalise to those extremes, then are we any better in the West? It was only 20 years ago the Europeans were slaughtering each other in the Balkans, and it only needs a cursory glance over the record books to see the abject terror caused by the West in the 20th Century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfish1936 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 If you going to generalise to those extremes, then are we any better in the West? It was only 20 years ago the Europeans were slaughtering each other in the Balkans, and it only needs a cursory glance over the record books to see the abject terror caused by the West in the 20th Century. Many of these are tribal wars, "us vs them", and religion comes in because one side prays differently to the other, purely as a label, Christians are capable of war and ethnic cleansing against other Christians, Muslims against Muslims; I haven't heard of Hindus against Hindus lately, or Buddhists vs Buddhists. but I'm sure someone could organise it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) If you going to generalise to those extremes, then are we any better in the West? It was only 20 years ago the Europeans were slaughtering each other in the Balkans, and it only needs a cursory glance over the record books to see the abject terror caused by the West in the 20th Century. I haven't generalised or claimed that the West is a peaceful culture. I posted historical facts which prove beyond doubt that Islam is not a peaceful religion. I also understand that many Muslims are better, less cruel and more loving than the God they worship, which begs the question, why do they worship and revere that which is inferior to themselves? Could it because they have been conned into believing not doing so will result in their death or eternal torment in hell, which makes them victims of Islam. Many child love their violent and abusive parents. Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors. Edited February 6, 2016 by sutty27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I haven't generalised or claimed that the West is a peaceful culture. I posted historical facts which prove beyond doubt that Islam is not a peaceful religion. I also understand that many Muslims are better, less cruel and more loving than the God they worship, which begs the question, why do they worship and revere that which is inferior to themselves? Could it because they have been conned into believing not doing so will result in their death or eternal torment in hell, which makes them a victim of Islam. So what you're saying is that, generally Muslims are no better than us? if so I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbalharry Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 No it isn't. That's a preposterous thing to say in the light of Islam's history. You could say the same thing about Christininanity if considering history. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 09:47 ---------- Reasons why Islam is not a religion of peace Thousands of terror attacks committed in the name of Islam. Muhammad had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing Islam, a practice that is still carried out to this day because Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad. Muhammad said that he was ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger. In the last nine years of his life he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that. Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad and still do to this day. Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. Within 25 years of Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia. After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other. Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and their fellow Muslims explicitly in the name of Allah. Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad and is still done to this day. Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim. The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times. That said it does not mean that some Muslims are not peaceful or don't love non Muslims, Muslims that loves a non Muslims have more love to give than the God they worship, making them better than Allah. I live in a muslim area and never had any issues with violent acts from muslims. I think youre confusing extremism with modern day peaceful quran. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 09:49 ---------- I haven't generalised or claimed that the West is a peaceful culture. I posted historical facts which prove beyond doubt that Islam is not a peaceful religion. I also understand that many Muslims are better, less cruel and more loving than the God they worship, which begs the question, why do they worship and revere that which is inferior to themselves? Could it because they have been conned into believing not doing so will result in their death or eternal torment in hell, which makes them victims of Islam. Many child love their violent and abusive parents. Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors. Ever heard of the crusades? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningman1 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 You could say the same thing about Christininanity if considering history. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 09:47 ---------- I live in a muslim area and never had any issues with violent acts from muslims. I think youre confusing extremism with modern day peaceful quran. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 09:49 ---------- Ever heard of the crusades? Lol Modern day peaceful Qu'ran? It is the same Qu'ran as it has always been. No one is trying to claim that Christianity is "the religion of peace". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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