herbalharry Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 The fellas I know don't drink, pray a lot, live peacefully, happy to let them get on with it. I think we can see there are bad people claiming to be from all religions. It doesn't make Islam any more or less worse. I've read the bible many times and been part of a church. Theres a lot in the bible i dont agree with. There are bad people with extremist views in all religions. They are not peaceful loving followers responsibility as you can't just lump all followers of a religion in together. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 09:58 ---------- Modern day peaceful Qu'ran? It is the same Qu'ran as it has always been. No one is trying to claim that Christianity is "the religion of peace". So then we are saying there are bad people from all religions who interpret the way they want to interpret? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) The fellas I know don't drink, pray a lot, live peacefully, happy to let them get on with it. I think we can see there are bad people claiming to be from all religions. It doesn't make Islam any more or less worse. I've read the bible many times and been part of a church. Theres a lot in the bible i dont agree with. There are bad people with extremist views in all religions. They are not peaceful loving followers responsibility as you can't just lump all followers of a religion in together. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 09:58 ---------- So then we are saying there are bad people from all religions who interpret the way they want to interpret? It's a bit of both. Most religions (certainly all the Abrahamic ones) can be used to justify and can inspire, evil. Some are worse than others. Islam is one of the worst and also one of the biggest. None of this is incompatible with the fact that most Muslims you meet are good people. I'm certainly not suggesting that being a Muslim automatically makes you a bad person. How bad a religion is, is in my mind determined by what gets done in the name of said religion. There's more evil done in the name of Islam than any other current religions, therefore Islam is a bad religion. As with essentially all religions, the evil is confined to a subset of the followers. The issue is how big is the subset and how evil are they. Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. Steven Weinberg Edited February 6, 2016 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbalharry Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 It's a bit of both. Most religions (certainly all the Abrahamic ones) can be used to justify and can inspire, evil. Some are worse than others. Islam is one of the worst and also one of the biggest. None of this is incompatible with the fact that most Muslims you meet are good people. I'm certainly not suggesting that being a Muslim automatically makes you a bad person. How bad a religion is, is in my mind determined by what gets done in the name of said religion. There's more evil done in the name of Islam than any other current religions, therefore Islam is a bad religion. As with essentially all religions, the evil is confined to a subset of the followers. The issue is how big is the subset and how evil are they. Steven Weinberg About 23 million in the crusades and about 6 million Jews from Hitler (Hitler was christian).60 million worldwide in ww2. ...before even scratched surface. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 10:30 ---------- Roughly shows how many people die from terrorism each yearhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322308/Number-people-killed-terrorists-worldwide-soars-80-just-year.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 About 23 million in the crusades and about 6 million Jews from Hitler (Hitler was christian).60 million worldwide in ww2. ...before even scratched surface. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 10:30 ---------- Roughly shows how many people die from terrorism each yearhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322308/Number-people-killed-terrorists-worldwide-soars-80-just-year.html I would agree that the evil in Christianity used to be comparable to that in Islam. I don't think it is any more. But I am a very vocal critic of Christianity as well. Godwin's law klaxon! Hitler was far more complex. He was a Roman Catholic, a Socialist and a massive Racist. He didn't just target Jews, but Slavs and other ethnic minorities. It's not plausible to suggest that these atrocities were carried out in the name of Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I would agree that the evil in Christianity used to be comparable to that in Islam. I don't think it is any more. But I am a very vocal critic of Christianity as well. Godwin's law klaxon! Hitler was far more complex. He was a Roman Catholic, a Socialist and a massive Racist. He didn't just target Jews, but Slavs and other ethnic minorities. It's not plausible to suggest that these atrocities were carried out in the name of Christianity. I'd suggest that we forget the Christianity tag, and maybe look at it as a Western civilisation problem. If a visitor from another planet had been watching us for the last 100 years, I doubt that they'd believe that the West was morally superior to anyone else as is often claimed. I suggest that if any problem does exist, it can be attributed to humanity rather than any race or religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairyloon Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I may be wrong, but I believe the world has said there is an issue needs addressing. I think that most of the world is looking at the wrong issue though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 You could say the same thing about Christininanity if considering history. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 09:47 ---------- I live in a muslim area and never had any issues with violent acts from muslims. I think youre confusing extremism with modern day peaceful quran. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 09:49 ---------- Ever heard of the crusades? Lol I think you are confusing the actions of some Muslims with the religion of Islam. Yes I have heard of the crusades, they were a series of intermittent military campaigns to stop the invading Islamic armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I think that most of the world is looking at the wrong issue though. What issue should we be looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairyloon Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 What issue should we be looking at? Cause and effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbalharry Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I think you are confusing the actions of some Muslims with the religion of Islam. Yes I have heard of the crusades, they were a series of intermittent military campaigns to stop the invading Islamic armies. Muslims follow the religion of Islam. I think you are confusing extremists with true followers of Islam. ---------- Post added 06-02-2016 at 11:20 ---------- I would agree that the evil in Christianity used to be comparable to that in Islam. I don't think it is any more. But I am a very vocal critic of Christianity as well. Godwin's law klaxon! Hitler was far more complex. He was a Roman Catholic, a Socialist and a massive Racist. He didn't just target Jews, but Slavs and other ethnic minorities. It's not plausible to suggest that these atrocities were carried out in the name of Christianity. A lot of attacks are in reaction to action by the west. So could argue the west and Christian countries caused the up rise in terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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