Immigrant violence at calais putting lives at risk

[999tigger]

They are impeding a key trade route, something isis have not managed. The disruption of trade figures are in the billions. But we have not taken any military action at all. Its putting the cart before the horse, we should be hitting this threat ahead of random syria based people. The violent migrants pose a more real threat to us.

 

That article just says its a problem but it doesnt indicate its having a significant impact on the flow of traffic.

 

Someone had a windscreen smashed.

 

v UK citizens have been murdered.

 

How do you equate a smashed windscreen as being a greater threat? if it gets to the stage where the port and tunnel are seriously impeded then ofc they will ract, but its nowhere near the threat that ISIS presents.

 

Come up with something to support that. A lot of those immigrants might not even be there were it not for part of the conflict created by ISIS.

[Vague_Boy]

These are migrant refugees, not immigrants.

 

So basically (according to the limited thought processes of some on here) they've either en masse decided to just up sticks one day and spend months in unheated accommodation just so that they can get their hands on our lovely benefits.

 

OR

 

They're the victims of regional instability that we as a nation have helped cause.

 

The war on terror, that campaign without end launched 14 years ago by George Bush, is tying itself up in ever more grotesque contortions. On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting.

 

The prosecution abandoned the case, apparently to avoid embarrassing the intelligence services. The defence argued that going ahead with the trial would have been an “affront to justice” when there was plenty of evidence the British state was itself providing “extensive support” to the armed Syrian opposition.

 

LINK [The Guardian, 3 June 2015]

 

The armed Syrian opposition included a group called ISIS.

 

But it gets better:

 

A revealing light on how we got here has now been shone by a recently declassified secret US intelligence report, written in August 2012, which uncannily predicts – and effectively welcomes – the prospect of a “Salafist principality” in eastern Syria and an al-Qaida-controlled Islamic state in Syria and Iraq. In stark contrast to western claims at the time, the Defense Intelligence Agency document identifies al-Qaida in Iraq (which became Isis) and fellow Salafists as the “major forces driving the insurgency in Syria” – and states that “western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey” were supporting the opposition’s efforts to take control of eastern Syria.

 

LINK [The Guardian, 3 June 2015]

 

 

Those of you wetting your knickers at the thought of the ISIS threat seem willfully blind (or maybe it's stupidity, I don't know) at the fact that the US government supported ISIS (among other insurgent groups) in an effort to destabilize President Assad.

 

Y'know, the ruler of Syria where these people are trying to escape from.

 

Causality's a bitch ain't it?

 

Perhaps if we stopped sticking our noses in, we wouldn't keep making things worse?

 

 

The death toll from the five-year-long crisis in Syria has surpassed 220,000, a UK-based monitoring group says.

 

Rami Abdel Rahman, the head of the so-called Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said on Thursday that the organization had so far counted 222,271 deaths since the start of the crisis in March 2011.

 

LINK

 

Well, that was a job well done, wasn't it?

[999tigger]

These are migrant refugees, not immigrants.

 

So basically (according to the limited thought processes of some on here) they've either en masse decided to just up sticks one day and spend months in unheated accommodation just so that they can get their hands on our lovely benefits.

 

OR

 

They're the victims of regional instability that we as a nation have helped cause.

 

 

 

LINK [The Guardian, 3 June 2015]

 

The armed Syrian opposition included a group called ISIS.

 

But it gets better:

 

 

 

LINK [The Guardian, 3 June 2015]

 

 

Those of you wetting your knickers at the thought of the ISIS threat seem willfully blind (or maybe it's stupidity, I don't know) at the fact that the US government supported ISIS (among other insurgent groups) in an effort to destabilize President Assad.

 

Y'know, the ruler of Syria where these people are trying to escape from.

 

Causality's a bitch ain't it?

 

Perhaps if we stopped sticking our noses in, we wouldn't keep making things worse?

 

LINK

 

Well, that was a job well done, wasn't it?

 

 

There are loads of other Syria ISIS threads, this one was about the situation at Calais. Its interesting to note who is actually causing the civilian deaths.

[lottiecass]

Ok,lets assume that they are all refugees,it still doesn't answer the question,why the UK?Our countries benefit system,nhs,housing must be a massive plus to them.You do know that the Calais migrants aren't all Syrians? Many nationals are there including N Africans,Pakistanis and Vietnamese as seen by the immigration officers at Calais.

[tinfoilhat]

Do you have any basis for how much money this violence/disruption problem has caused the UK and then compare that with the cost and impact of operations against ISIS?

 

We havent really expended a load of munitions on ISIS, we only had 8 planes out there before the strikes on Syria. We are a small part.

 

It might be a growing problem, but I expect its nowhere in the same league as ISIS. the Frencg routinely end up bloccking the Tunnel and ports for days when they wnat soemthing to strike over.

 

We had operation stack for ages - how much did that cost?

[max]

Ok,lets assume that they are all refugees,it still doesn't answer the question,why the UK?Our countries benefit system,nhs,housing must be a massive plus to them.You do know that the Calais migrants aren't all Syrians? Many nationals are there including N Africans,Pakistanis and Vietnamese as seen by the immigration officers at Calais.

 

If you turn that on its head and ask why, out of 4 million displaced Syrians, do so few want to come to the UK? Is it because we have one of the worst benefits systems, our NHS is crumbling due to being starved of funds and our housing stock is straining to support the people we have?

 

As you rightly point out, not all the Calais migrants are Syrian so you can probably add another million to that figure. So, we really must not be an attractive destination if so few want to come here.

[lottiecass]

If you turn that on its head and ask why, out of 4 million displaced Syrians, do so few want to come to the UK? Is it because we have one of the worst benefits systems, our NHS is crumbling due to being starved of funds and our housing stock is straining to support the people we have?

 

As you rightly point out, not all the Calais migrants are Syrian so you can probably add another million to that figure. So, we really must not be an attractive destination if so few want to come here.

 

That's ok then,I will nip over to Calais tomorrow and tell them this enlightened information.They will no doubt thank you for reminding them of all the similar poor countries they come from and all the first class services they had.I suppose the 25,000 immigrants that have disappeared have smuggled themselves back to France to start again because its so rubbish here.You also omit that these people have passed these countries with better benefits systems,why is that? could it be ours is easier to obtain?

[mafya]

That's ok then,I will nip over to Calais tomorrow and tell them this enlightened information.They will no doubt thank you for reminding them of all the similar poor countries they come from and all the first class services they had.I suppose the 25,000 immigrants that have disappeared have smuggled themselves back to France to start again because its so rubbish here.You also omit that these people have passed these countries with better benefits systems,why is that? could it be ours is easier to obtain?

 

It's harder to claim benefits in Britain now isn't it? I've heard they make you work in pound land or Jack fultons otherwise your money gets stopped so I wouldn't say our benefits are easy to obtain...

Edited December 18, 2015 by mafya
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[999tigger]

We had operation stack for ages - how much did that cost?

 

Good point TF.

 

I was taking the issue as presented by the OP as the threat of violence from the migrants at Calais as per the article.

 

Its fair if you want to widen it out a bit further and look at he problem of disruption of the port and tunnel.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-33688822

 

Costs of stack appear to be £34,000 a day for policing(paid by central govt).

27 out of 40 days= Just over £900,000.

 

RTA estimates its costing its members £700,000 a day and the UK economy £250m a day in lost trade, however that figure is disputed.

 

You might want to read this, which investigates the claim.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/30/calais-crisis-cost-uk-250m-a-day-trade

[lottiecass]

It's harder to claim benefits in Britain now isn't it? I've heard they make you work in pound land or Jack futons otherwise your money gets stopped so I wouldn't say outperform benefits are easy to obtain...

 

That's it mafya,they are itching to get work for welfare at poundland,wonder if they'll get staff discount.