What, in your opinion, constitutes a terror attack?

[sgtkate]

Yeah totally, I wasn't saying there was an anti-Muslim bias in the media for definite, just that there appeared to be some differences in reporting. There could be many reasons for this, one of which you've just given.

[Gamston]

I haven't beeen obsessed with the definition of the word terrorism, I've simply asked Mafya to provide an example where the police and media have used the words 'terrorist' and 'Muslim' before any such details were confirmed.

 

If the 'Asthma' arsonist wasn't linked to terrorism based on his skin colour (rather than it simply not being a terrorist attack) why was the (very white) royal sniper linked to terrorism?

I don't know which incident you are referring to by the Royal sniper .

 

No two incidents are exactly the same so posting links of incidents doesn't really add conclusive weight to a anyone's views . On the other thread someone mentioned the beheading of an elderly lady in London last year . This act occurred only a few days after the murder of a USA hostage by beheading in Syria . Before the non white suspect in the London case was charged there were media reports that he had recently converted to Islam and terrorism was suggested has a possible motive for the murder .

 

Do you think Jean Charles de Menezes would have been killed by the Police if he had been a white man ?

[Quik]

I don't know which incident you are referring to by the Royal sniper .

 

No two incidents are exactly the same so posting links of incidents doesn't really add conclusive weight to a anyone's views . On the other thread someone mentioned the beheading of an elderly lady in London last year . This act occurred only a few days after the murder of a USA hostage by beheading in Syria . Before the non white suspect in the London case was charged there were media reports that he had recently converted to Islam and terrorism was suggested has a possible motive for the murder .

 

Do you think Jean Charles de Menezes would have been killed by the Police if he had been a white man ?

 

de Menezes was a white man so that answers that completely off topic question without the need to derail the thread.

[Gamston]

de Menezes was a white man so that answers that completely off topic question without the need to derail the thread.

The Police didn't think he was a white man and I think he looked more Asian in appearance than a white man .

[Quik]

The Police didn't think he was a white man and I think he looked more Asian in appearance than a white man .

 

He was shot because they wrongly thought he was one of the terrorists. His race/percieved race had nothing to do with it.

[Gamston]

He was shot because they wrongly thought he was one of the terrorists. His race/percieved race had nothing to do with it.

 

Absolute nonsense , he was shot because his appearance was one of the reasons which led them wrongly to believe he was a terrorist .

[Quik]

Absolute nonsense , he was shot because his appearance was one of the reasons which led them wrongly to believe he was a terrorist .

 

He was wrongly believed by the soldier who ID'd him to be a yet to be identified terrorist suspect from a cctv image. He was not shot as you are claiming because he wasn't a white guy or not percieved to be a white guy.

[999tigger]

The tl;dr is:

 

- Charleston shooting investigated as a terror attack by the DoJ

- Not a single article's headline mentions the word terrorism, although it is in some of the article's main text

- Terror attacks involving Muslims have the words 'Muslim' and 'terrorist' in nearly every headline

- This appears to confirm that the media have different reporting standards when it comes to Muslim terrorists and non-muslim ones.

 

Sorry kate ive been busy, but ill o through your posts tomorrow, because im surpised at some of your posts.

 

the Charleston shooting was investigated from all angles. In particular the racial and hate crime aspect. These were the most relevant angles and due to Americas history then its obvious why the popilation are more sensitive about attacks on Afro Caribeans.

 

If I was writing the headline then i'd be looking at the race angle. Terror attacks thatw e are used to traget indiscriminately. Thats not to say its sill not terrorism.

 

 

You will need to provide some headlines, preferably in the UK with the headlines with muslim and terror in them, but they need to be before the police have determined thats what they are or alternatively where the press are reporting contrary to what the police say.

 

You then need to consider whether the press have any reasonable basis for using the headline they do.

 

The different reporting standards you are just going to have to prove. According to mafya its widespread and pervasive both in the police and the media. So its more than just some random website, it needs to be a good selection of the mainstream media, mainstream print and broadcast. Id prefer it if we talked about UK stories and UK media as they would be most relevant.

[Alan Else]

Originally Posted by Alan Else View Post

 

Perhaps the fact that the perpetrators of most terrorist attacks and sex abuse on underage girls today are usually of Asian/none white appearance hence the assumption that they are Muslims.

White people do commit these crimes but not in such a disproportionate amount.

This is simply not true. The vast majority of perpetrators of sexual abuse on underage girls in this country are white British.

I said terrorism and sexual abuse on underage girls.

Are you denying that most terrorist attacks in the world today are carried out by Muslims? Also I said a disproportionate amount of sex attacks on young white girls are carried out by Muslim men.

 

---------- Post added 23-12-2015 at 21:16 ----------

 

He was shot because they wrongly thought he was one of the terrorists. His race/percieved race had nothing to do with it.

He shouldn't have been her anyway.

[999tigger]

The tl;dr is:

 

- Charleston shooting investigated as a terror attack by the DoJ

- Not a single article's headline mentions the word terrorism, although it is in some of the article's main text

- Terror attacks involving Muslims have the words 'Muslim' and 'terrorist' in nearly every headline

- This appears to confirm that the media have different reporting standards when it comes to Muslim terrorists and non-muslim ones.

 

Looking into this a bit more. It would have been better to have UK cases, which are more relevant to Mafyas complaint. The US is complicated because of the Federal and State law system, but looking into it investigation it as a domestic terror event, (which she said was just one of the angles not the only or primary one), they dont actually have any domestic terror legislation like we do in the UK.

 

https://theintercept.com/2015/07/22/department-justice-didnt-charge-dylan-roof-domestic-terrorism/

 

You can see that through the way they dealt with the Boston bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (muslim).

His case differed because he used a bomb, he was influenced by outside groups and he did it in conjunction with his brother, but look at the charges he faced.

 

http://www.wbur.org/2015/01/05/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-charges

Edited December 24, 2015 by 999tigger