tinfoilhat Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 So you'd need to know the perpetrator's intent first, before you could call it terrorism? ---------- Post added 20-12-2015 at 16:30 ---------- Don't forget horror film directors. You could argue most armed robbers are terrorists then - they aim to scare people to get to what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 You could argue most armed robbers are terrorists then - they aim to scare people to get to what they want. Quite, also loan sharks, racketeers, some workplace bosses, feuding neighbours. The list goes on. I think Mafya hit the nail on the head with it being down to intent, you have to know the intent before you can call it terrorism. Which is why, in several recent cases, it has not been treated as such unless/until the intent is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 The intent to cause terror........ Or to use terror to further political aims? It's rare that a group will have as their only aim causing terror. My definition is that "terrorism is the use weapons to further the political agenda of a non-government organisation". I think that covers all the options. There must be a legal definition of the term terrorism, anyone know it? (or can be arsed googling it?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningman1 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Quite, also loan sharks, racketeers, some workplace bosses, feuding neighbours. The list goes on. I think Mafya hit the nail on the head with it being down to intent, you have to know the intent before you can call it terrorism. Which is why, in several recent cases, it has not been treated as such unless/until the intent is known. Are you suggesting that any of the people listed could be considered terrorists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Are you suggesting that any of the people listed could be considered terrorists? If you wnat to use the classification that the sole criteria of causing terror attempted or actual, then terrorism starts to cover a wide range of events. It makes in unmanageable. Someone who threatens domestic violence= terrorist. Someone who blackmails or demands money with menaces= terrorist Thats why all the official definitions are not as simplistic and seek to define more clearly what is and what is not a terrorist act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyA Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Please forgive me for my lack of intelligence A terrorist commits acts of violence to - Produce widespread fear Obtain worldwide, national, or local recognition for their cause by attracting the attention of the media Harass, weaken, or embarrass government security forces so that the the government overreacts and appears repressive Steal or extort money and equipment, especially weapons and ammunition vital to the operation of their group Destroy facilities or disrupt lines of communication in order to create doubt that the government can provide for and protect its citizens Discourage foreign investments, tourism, or assistance programs that can affect the target country’s economy and support of the government in power Influence government decisions, legislation, or other critical decisions Free prisoners Satisfy vengeance Turn the tide in a guerrilla war by forcing government security forces to concentrate their efforts in urban areas. This allows the terrorist group to establish itself among the local populace in rural areas Having fought terrorism on a personal level I do know what I'm talking about and the above pretty much sums it up... and just out of interest I don't see how some nutter with an explosive toilet roll, no matter what colour he is, fits into any of the above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningman1 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 If you wnat to use the classification that the sole criteria of causing terror attempted or actual, then terrorism starts to cover a wide range of events. It makes in unmanageable. Someone who threatens domestic violence= terrorist. Someone who blackmails or demands money with menaces= terrorist Thats why all the official definitions are not as simplistic and seek to define more clearly what is and what is not a terrorist act. Who thinks the sole criteria for being labelled a terrorist is spreading terror? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafya Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 So you'd need to know the perpetrator's intent first, before you could call it terrorism? ---------- Post added 20-12-2015 at 16:30 ---------- Don't forget horror film directors. Planting a bomb or pretend bomb in a uk shopping centre when the country is on high alert status in regards to terror attacks to me is an act intending to cause terror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Who thinks the sole criteria for being labelled a terrorist is spreading terror? The intent to cause terror........ Go and read the thread started by Mafya on why isnt this a terrorist offence, he and gamston believe it is a terror offence, but the police believe its arson with intent to danger human life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 Planting a bomb or pretend bomb in a uk shopping centre when the country is on high alert status in regards to terror attacks to me is an act intending to cause terror. So you're saying that the intent was to cause terror and you know this because it was an act intending to cause terror? Sounds somewhat circular to me. What you appear to be doing is just guessing at what the perpetrator intended and then agreeing with yourself to confirm it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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