Jeremy Corbyn first 100 days

[pacifica]

was Scargil the leader of a political party? if so which one?

 

Exactly. :hihi::hihi:

[banjodeano]

Exactly. :hihi::hihi:

 

but Corbyn is the leader of a party not a union

[Flanker7]

Didn't Arthur Scargill give them that chance a decade or so back using similar policies? How did that go?

 

I think my memory is that he mistook popularity within the NUM for public opinion.

 

Your point about who elects them is well made

Corbyn = The Labour Party members.

PM & MP's = The public.

 

I don't think the example of Scargill holds in the present day, (or then imo).

There a lot of water to go under the bridge before an election:-

*Euro vote on Brexit

*Conservative party election of a new leader

* Austerity biting harder, even though I expect the usual bribeing of the electorate for a period immediately before the election

[pacifica]

but Corbyn is the leader of a party not a union

 

Your point being?

 

You don't seem to be very well informed about the subject you are attempting to debate.

[banjodeano]

Your point being?

 

You don't seem to be very well informed about the subject you are attempting to debate.

the point being, i dont get your point?

and neither do you

your comparing apples and pears:huh:

[pacifica]

Your point about who elects them is well made

Corbyn = The Labour Party members.

PM & MP's = The public.

 

I don't think the example of Scargill holds in the present day, (or then imo).

There a lot of water to go under the bridge before an election:-

*Euro vote on Brexit

*Conservative party election of a new leader

* Austerity biting harder, even though I expect the usual bribeing of the electorate for a period immediately before the election

 

Taking those points one at a time.

 

Scargill thought New Labour had lost the Labour principle. He was probably right, but his attempts to get support for those principles found little favour outside of trade unions. Their high water mark was gaining 1% of the vote at the Europen Elections in 2001.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Labour_Party_%28UK%29

 

Brexit. I would agree if this were a party matter, but it isn't. Corbyn may well have more problems than Cameron here as Corbyn is as usual out of step with his MPs.

 

Election of a new leader. I think Cameron was clever here. He said he was going without being pushed. We all know the candidates and the new leader will likely get that new leader bounce.

 

Austerity. It does seem that the left would like to pretend they can make it go away (as didn't happen in Greece). The electorate are fully aware that the UK has a massive debt and a massive budget deficit. The cuts are unpopular, but folk know there isn't an alternative, unless we can turn back the clock 10 years and stop Brown signing up for so much spending.

 

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the point being, i dont get your point?

and neither do you

your comparing apples and pears:huh:

but Corbyn is the leader of a party not a union

 

 

Am I really? You seem completely in the dark that Arthur Scargill runs a political party that has contested the last 5 general elections. Oh dear! So which union do you imagine he runs?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Labour_Party_%28UK%29

Edited December 22, 2015 by pacifica