RonJeremy Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 They were elected by 24% of the electorate, their policies are being implemented, why should they protest? I am pro, a fair system of Government. Or anti the current system of government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Or anti the current system of government. The Electoral Commission use the best system when setting up a new Parliament, they have not used first past the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) They were elected by 24% of the electorate, their policies are being implemented, why should they protest? I am pro, a fair system of Government. And why should we concern ourselves with the opinions as to who should be in government, of those too stupid, ignorant or idle to put a cross in a box once every 5 years? ---------- Post added 23-12-2015 at 07:43 ---------- I've noticed on here recently that there seem to be trend of people who support the Tories and UKIP being anti all sorts of things. I end up butting heads with the same people on thread ranging from cars and TVs to Islam and war. I wonder if this is representative of most of SF or even the UK. Are Tory/UKIP voters more 'negative' and 'anti' things than Labour/Green voters? Some examples by looking at the posters in certain threads: Tories/UKIPPERs are anti: -cyclists -muslims -tattoos -bus drivers -taxis Whereas Labour/Green supporters seem to more naïve with regards to all the above and believe almost blindly anything in support of them. I'm clearly in one of these groups so trying to be fair and mean to both sides equally! Do you think this is a fair summary and if not, why not? - cyclists over car driver I don't have a problem with any of the things in your list, but the chance of me voting for anybody other than UKIP or the Conservatives in the foreseeable future is very close to zero. I'm extremely distrustful of the modern green movement. I'm quite convinced of the validity of the CO2 global warming effect but wholly unconvinced of the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming hypothesis (or climate change). I hate alternative energy with a passion as it drives up energy prices, impoverishing the nation as a whole and hitting hardest those who can least afford it. I'm a big supported of "fracking". More importantly I wholeheartedly support research into genuine alternatives which in my view consist primarily of nuclear power of various kinds and better batteries. The aggressive mandate from international technocrats of various kinds to cut CO2 output extremely quickly forces us to use technology that on balance is complete rubbish and will be seen by future generations as one of history's great follies. I think we need to urgently withdraw from the EU. Once this is done, we should have a Canadian style immigration system which treats people from all parts of the world equally and fairly. Islam is highly prescriptive on the nature and rules of the state in a way that most religions are not. In principle it is wholly incompatible with secular democracy. That doesn't really matter when dealing with most western Muslims as far as I can tell because they accept that the prescription for government in the Quran is from a different era and cannot be applied directly to the modern world. However in the world as a whole, there are a very great many puritanical muslims who don't see this. Christianity has been through this process in the west and to an extent in the wider world. It's still going on after hundreds of years. We need to be patient with Islam which is a little behind. Unfortunately this sometimes means stopping the puritanical Muslims with force when they use force to try and reverse the process. It would have been far better if the god of Abraham had never been thought up, but that ship has sailed. It will likely be centuries before this most destructive of deities falls out of fashion. I have zero problem with cyclists. Public transport has its place, but that place is rapidly shrinking. The big domestic issue for me is redistribution. It is highly counter-productive for the benefits system to provide perverse incentives. Such incentives include avoiding work, taking on minimal paying work at minimal hours to qualify for tax credits when one is capable of better, having children one can't independently support. The current government approach of offering maximum opportunity for training, cautiously forcing up wages, minimising the tax burden on the working poor and withdrawing benefits from those who are not earnestly seeking work has my strong support. Although there are some serious flaws in places with its implementation which need to be addressed with great urgency. I know a lot of people get very upset when well intentioned innocent people are hurt by these things. I would remind you that people are being hurt all the time as a result of money being taken from those who earned it and handed out to people who play the system. That money is then not available for providing public services and benefits for those who are truly deserving. Heavy direct redistribution is an admission of failure. We've failed to train lots of people to support themselves and therefore consigned them to a dependent sub-class. It's in everybody's best interests to keep that to an absolute minimum. Redistribution damages real growth. Real growth comes from private sector businesses employing people in the UK to supply things that have true value in the international market. Other kinds of "growth" are an illusion. It's necessary to protect the least amongst us, but it should be done with great care. When you tax the productive part of your population to support the unproductive part, you damage your economy and make the next generation poorer. Edited December 23, 2015 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Oh good - an anti gun thread. ---------- Post added 22-12-2015 at 21:17 ---------- Why are you lefties so anti everything? I assume that last night you were either very drunk or very immature. Hopefully it was the former so that you'll not still be the latter this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 And why should we concern ourselves with the opinions as to who should be in government, of those too stupid, ignorant or idle to put a cross in a box once every 5 years? Tories tend to look down on other people, stupid chavs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtkate Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 This really wasn't meant to be troll thread! I was may have worded the OP badly mind you. What I was really getting at is: Are there certain trends (mostly views on others topics) that supporters of certain parties tend to share? And if so, why is this? Why does voting Tory or Labour seem to make us have other views that aren't directly related to the politics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I assume that last night you were either very drunk or very immature. Hopefully it was the former so that you'll not still be the latter this morning. Sarchasm - "The abyss between the creator of witticisms and the intended recipient who does not find the humor in it." Tories tend to look down on other people, stupid chavs. This is not true.A lie put about by people because they want it to be so. This really wasn't meant to be troll thread! I was may have worded the OP badly mind you. What I was really getting at is: Are there certain trends (mostly views on others topics) that supporters of certain parties tend to share? And if so, why is this? Why does voting Tory or Labour seem to make us have other views that aren't directly related to the politics? It isn't a troll thread, I don't think. Isn't everything related to politics and how we are governed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Sarchasm - "The abyss between the creator of witticisms and the intended recipient who does not find the humor in it." You're not capable of humour. Hopefully Santa will bring you a dictionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtkate Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 Sarchasm - "The abyss between the creator of witticisms and the intended recipient who does not find the humor in it." This is not true.A lie put about by people because they want it to be so. It isn't a troll thread, I don't think. Isn't everything related to politics and how we are governed? I suppose so indirectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Tories tend to look down on other people, stupid chavs. Does this comment have any foundation or did you just pull it out of thin air? Is there something wrong with valuing education? I have a problem with people who don't vote, then complain about the government. Does that seem unreasonable to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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