UK flooding again

[tzijlstra]

Read the EU Water Framework Directive.

Complying with this EU law and maintaining decent flood prevention measures such as we have enjoyed for the previous hundred years and more is all but impossible.

It's not much use throwing more money at the EA, because under EU law it's not their job to prevent flooding, but to minimise the disruption of human activity to natural waterways.

The environment is important, but under this law fish have become more important than people.

 

As for climate change, you're showing extreme observer bias. The climate folk make all sorts of generalised predictions, many of which are so vague that they're bound to be found true in some regard.

 

Sorry but are you interpreting EU laws in the most obtuse way possible for any other reason than being anti-EU?

 

All that directive deals with is the provision of fresh water, protecting our fresh water sources. It turns out the EU isn't too keen on people polluting potable water because oddly enough, they realise that water is a strategic commodity increasingly in short supply.

 

Nowhere in that directive though does it say that the EA has no duty to protect homes and instead should focus on this directive. That is an implementation issue and is what the NATIONAL government made of it. What they also made of it was the reversal of billions of pounds of promised flood protection when the Tories came in in 2010 and again this year.

 

But let's blame the EU, because that is what we always do!

[El Cid]

Nowhere in that directive though does it say that the EA has no duty to protect homes and instead should focus on this directive. That is an implementation issue and is what the NATIONAL government made of it. What they also made of it was the reversal of billions of pounds of promised flood protection when the Tories came in in 2010 and again this year.

 

But let's blame the EU, because that is what we always do!

 

Didnt the Government promise to dredge after the floods in Somerset?

[carlbadboy]

The flow of water has worn a deep furrow in the land, it has taken many thousands of years, I havnt googled this subject yet, but surely the flow of water will not change the continued erosion.

Perhaps it is our rubbish that is jamming up the rivers?

 

Or it just rained harder than the river could cope with and it overflowed in areas that are known to be floodplains, floodplains that existed long befor we dumped building on them. The rain and rivers aren't the problem, the problem is people building too much and in the wrong places.

[unbeliever]

Sorry but are you interpreting EU laws in the most obtuse way possible for any other reason than being anti-EU?

 

All that directive deals with is the provision of fresh water, protecting our fresh water sources. It turns out the EU isn't too keen on people polluting potable water because oddly enough, they realise that water is a strategic commodity increasingly in short supply.

 

Nowhere in that directive though does it say that the EA has no duty to protect homes and instead should focus on this directive. That is an implementation issue and is what the NATIONAL government made of it. What they also made of it was the reversal of billions of pounds of promised flood protection when the Tories came in in 2010 and again this year.

 

But let's blame the EU, because that is what we always do!

 

 

Ah the resident EU apologist. What a shock you leap to their defence as they destroy our homes.

 

The EU directive effectively makes dredging illegal. It also makes all other flood defence and related schemes illegal unless it can be proven in advance that there will be no adverse ecological impact.

 

But by all means let us bow down to the almighty wisdom of our european overlords. As usual they cause a problem and expect somebody else take the blame.

[tzijlstra]

Didnt the Government promise to dredge after the floods in Somerset?

 

I think they managed part of that promise, which means it was fulfilled...

 

Ah the resident EU apologist. What a shock you leap to their defence as they destroy our homes.

 

The EU directive effectively makes dredging illegal. It also makes all other flood defence and related schemes illegal unless it can be proven in advance that there will be no adverse ecological impact.

 

But by all means let us bow down to the almighty wisdom of our european overlords. As usual they cause a problem and expect somebody else take the blame.

 

What a load of toss unbeliever, the Dutch dredge all their canals and lakes all the time, there is nothing illegal about it AT ALL. If the Uk interpreted it as such than it is the UK making an issue out of it.

 

But do carry on believing the nonsense about the EU you believe, I am sure it is satisfying to know that it isn't your fault/responsibility.

 

Wimp.

[carlbadboy]

I think they managed part of that promise, which means it was fulfilled...

 

 

 

What a load of toss unbeliever, the Dutch dredge all their canals and lakes all the time, there is nothing illegal about it AT ALL. If the Uk interpreted it as such than it is the UK making an issue out of it.

 

But do carry on believing the nonsense about the EU you believe, I am sure it is satisfying to know that it isn't your fault/responsibility.

 

Wimp.

 

They are man made so not covered, EU water framework directive places constraints on the dredging of rivers, canals aren't rivers.

[dutch]

Rivers don't need dredging. Lakes may need occasional dredging but the water flow of a river is self maintaining.

All these floods are a secret symbolic message sent by EU and IS.

[unbeliever]

 

What a load of toss unbeliever, the Dutch dredge all their canals and lakes all the time, there is nothing illegal about it AT ALL. If the Uk interpreted it as such than it is the UK making an issue out of it.

 

But do carry on believing the nonsense about the EU you believe, I am sure it is satisfying to know that it isn't your fault/responsibility.

 

Wimp.

 

I see that at least one factual error in this post has already been corrected by another user.

 

A direct personal insult is beneath you, and since it's not in keeping with your normal style. I'll let it go this time.

 

Read this: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/complying-with-the-water-framework-directive-marine-dredging

Edited December 30, 2015 by unbeliever

[Longcol]

They are man made so not covered, EU water framework directive places constraints on the dredging of rivers, canals aren't rivers.

 

This recently updated document by the Flood Prevention Society clearly points the finger at a "no dredging culture" within the Environmental Agency - nothing to do with EU directives.

 

http://www.floodpreventionsociety.org.uk/FLOOD%20REPORT2015a.pdf

Edited December 30, 2015 by Longcol

[unbeliever]

This recently updated document by the Flood Prevention Society clearly points the finger at a "no dredging culture" within the Environmental Agency - nothing to do with EU directives.

 

http://www.floodpreventionsociety.org.uk/FLOOD%20REPORT2015a.pdf

 

That's interesting, but the EA are using the EU directive to justify their no dredging policy. So it's not "nothing to do with EU directives".

If you're right, then something very strange is going on. It seems unlikely though, and in the absence of strong evidence to the contrary I'm inclined to assume that the EA at least believe that they're interpreting the directive correctly. What could motivate them to do otherwise?

Edited December 30, 2015 by unbeliever