Justin Smith Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 On 11/09/2018 at 10:25, geared said: I agree, it's very sad she's died but standing next to your broken down vehicle on the motorway isn't very smart. It'd been there 16 minutes apparently, plenty of time to get out of the way. And plenty of time to close the lane...… I`ve seen loads of beached cars on "smart" motorways, including one just today, with the lane still open. Or was the lane closed ? If it was that`s even worse, that proves that the whole concept of a motorway with (what was) the hard shoulder open as a normal ruinning lane as default, is a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudds1 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) Looks like the smart motorway building is going to be reviewed in next few weeks due to people getting hurt / killed on them .should these motorways continue to be built ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50169527 Edited October 25, 2019 by rudds1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Links are always useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hardie Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 About time. Why does it take unnecessary deaths before a stupid idea some whiz kid came up with is seen for what it is? Hard shoulders are there for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 There’s nothing wrong with smart motorways, it is the intermittent use of the hard shoulder as a live lane at busy times that is the problem. The hard shoulder is there for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joker Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jim Hardie said: About time. Why does it take unnecessary deaths before a stupid idea some whiz kid came up with is seen for what it is? Hard shoulders are there for a reason. Because the deaths of poor Northerners are an acceptable price to pay when a London-centric government expands a motorway on the cheap? I know us Sheffielders like saving money, but deaths are too high a price to pay, even for a tight-arse skinflint like me These deaths were expected, inevitable, and avoidable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 I drove to Folkestone last weekend. In the huge roadworks near Milton Keynes, there were two broken down lorries in sections without hard shoulder. The delays caused were ridiculous. The two breakdowns added roughly 40 minutes to my journey. Removing the hard shoulder is clearly dangerous. It also does little to improve journey times as every small incident has a disproportionate effect upon traffic flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudds1 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Pettytom said: I drove to Folkestone last weekend. In the huge roadworks near Milton Keynes, there were two broken down lorries in sections without hard shoulder. The delays caused were ridiculous. The two breakdowns added roughly 40 minutes to my journey. Removing the hard shoulder is clearly dangerous. It also does little to improve journey times as every small incident has a disproportionate effect upon traffic flow. Those roadworks take the mickey big style. 22 miles of roadworks and another 2 1/2 years still to go yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 It really depends on the stretch of motorway. I think the stretches that are hard shoulders first then a live lane depending on traffic are a better bet than a live lane that covers to a hard shoulder. The stretch north of luton has gantries stretching over 4 lanes that a very very frequent - they might even have proper street lighting (can't remember). That stretch from 30 to 29 has very sporadic LED signs and no street lighting. I've happened across a vehicle on occasion and the nearest gantry hasn't warned me - and it hadn't just happened, as the occupants had already scampered halfway up the embankment. It's not a bad idea, just badly done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padders Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, The Joker said: Because the deaths of poor Northerners are an acceptable price to pay when a London-centric government expands a motorway on the cheap? I know us Sheffielders like saving money, but deaths are too high a price to pay, even for a tight-arse skinflint like me These deaths were expected, inevitable, and avoidable Your my kinda guy Joker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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