Benefits of privatisation?

[Berberis]

Not sure we should use our own experience as a measure for all the public sector, perhaps my positive experience of working in the public sector should cancel out your negative view.

In my experience, the council want to provide a good service, at the cheapest price. I my role of school transport, there are slightly more in-house, than private providers.

 

Any company/business can put in a tender if they can do a better cheaper job, there has not been a rush of companies putting in tenders when this new rule was introduced, to my knowledge.

 

Generally speaking, those who work in the Public Sector sign its praises nd rightly so. Those who have worked in the sector and have left, usually are the opposite while those who have never worked in the public sector are ambivalent to the argument.

[Anna B]

"Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the nastiest

of motives, will somehow work for the benefit if all."

 

John Maynard Keynes

[Eric Arthur]

"Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the nastiest

of motives, will somehow work for the benefit if all."

 

John Maynard Keynes

 

I'm struggling to believe that Keynes even said that but I can't imagine a more inaccurate, facile and ridiculous thing to post. If you truly believe it you need to have a long hard think about some of the content in this topic.

[Berberis]

"Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the nastiest

of motives, will somehow work for the benefit if all."

 

John Maynard Keynes

 

"The avoidance of taxes is the only intellectual pursuit that still carries any reward"

John Maynard Keynes

[lines]

"Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the nastiest

of motives, will somehow work for the benefit if all."

 

John Maynard Keynes

 

Are you still denying that you're a communist?

[Eric Arthur]

"Save some money for a rainy day"

 

John Maynard Keynes

[sgtkate]

"Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the nastiest

of motives, will somehow work for the benefit if all."

 

John Maynard Keynes

 

Anna, lets just say for 1 minute that a private company CAN and DOES give us a better NHS for the patients, quicker A&E times, better surgical outcomes (whatever defines a 'better' NHS for you), and they do it at less cost per capita than the government does currently. Would you still not support it? I'm not trying to catch you out, with mostly argue alongside each other on many topics, but for me it's all about the end user or the customer and if they get a better deal then I'm not bothered about whether that company is private and profit making or not. As long as there are cast iron 'recovery' clauses to pull the NHS back into public hands if this company failed to deliver then I'd be supportive of it. However, I don't think for one min that any company could ever deliver better than what we have at a lower price so I'd likely never be pro-privatisation!

[spilldig]

Aren't there EU rules that make it difficult to re-nationalise? I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

 

I used to work in the public sector too. The problem is that the quality of management in the public sector is generally dire; I mean, really bad. The quality of the people actually doing the work is about the same as the private sector, but managers.. You can get some good ones, but they are the exception.

 

But, I do have a problem with our publicly owned companies being sold off especially to foreign firms who then proceed to take us to the cleaners; and the water companies are the worst. Their product falls from the sky free, it's not like they have to go and drill for it in the North Sea.

 

Plus Yorkshire Water are massive tax dodgers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2350686/Water-power-firms-avoid-1billion-tax-Tory-MP-demands-rebate-hard-pressed-customers.html

 

I don't know about EU rules and I don't say they should necessarily re-nationalise, but if they don't want to re-nationalise then they should shut up.

[Harrystottle]

Where I work it is stuffed full of 'managers' who are paid a fortune for doing very little - just writing reports to each other, and have no specialism in the area that they're managing.

 

(My bold). Nail on head there, I think. I used to work in a technical department. The ranks of the "senior management team" went to six, three of whom had no technical background whatsoever.

 

It's as though the public sector is determined to create a separate management class, the idea being that if you can manage one department you can manage any sort of department. That management itself is a speciality, but a transferable one. Nice theory, but in my experience it does not work.

 

The person currently conducting a departmental restructure is a former HR person. Their most notable achievement so far is to cause one of the most technically able people in the department to leave.

[Anna B]

Anna, lets just say for 1 minute that a private company CAN and DOES give us a better NHS for the patients, quicker A&E times, better surgical outcomes (whatever defines a 'better' NHS for you), and they do it at less cost per capita than the government does currently. Would you still not support it? I'm not trying to catch you out, with mostly argue alongside each other on many topics, but for me it's all about the end user or the customer and if they get a better deal then I'm not bothered about whether that company is private and profit making or not. As long as there are cast iron 'recovery' clauses to pull the NHS back into public hands if this company failed to deliver then I'd be supportive of it. However, I don't think for one min that any company could ever deliver better than what we have at a lower price so I'd likely never be pro-privatisation!

 

I admit I was being deliberately provocative with my quote.

Victorian times were littered with businessmen who were great philanthropists, as are some today, and many small businesses do look after their workers like a family. But it's the big Corporate giants I have issues with, who pay minimum wage at the bottom while harvesting enormous profits and pay gigantic bonuses at the top.

 

These mega corporations are taking over, buying out a lot of the smaller firms (the competition) and making it almost impossible for newcomers to get a foothold. Beware the corporatisation of business, it decimates competition, and once they have a strangle hold they will eventually run amock.