Is it racist to criticise Islam?

[Halibut]

Oh the temptation to say stuff the lot and yes, let's have a nice bit of racism.

 

Go for it. Why not celebrate crass stupidity and fear?

[psynuk]

A black person can't change being black - criticising him for it is racism

A Jew - ditto

An Arab - ditto

A Chinaman - ditto

A moslem has a choice - criticise that belief as much as you like.

A Christian - ditto

A Pastafarian - ditto

A Socialist - ditto

A Tory - ditto (but you'd be borderline cruel, cause they're bound to have some sort of learning difficulty )

 

There is a massive difference.

 

Although I agree with you, for the sake of argumentalism;

 

When does it change from 'racism' to criticism if your dealing with someone who was brought up and indoctrinated into a religion from birth?

A muslim, jew, whatever say aged 20 who thoroughly believes in it, surely the choice has been removed and therefore should be afforded a similar protection given to race...

 

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I'm struggling to grasp this jew = race thing.

isn't the common denominator here the religion? british, polish and israeli jews all belong to the same race? I'm not sure I buy that...

Edited January 20, 2016 by psynuk

[RonJeremy]

Although I agree with you, for the sake of argumentalism;

 

When does it change from 'racism' to criticism if your dealing with someone who was brought up and indoctrinated into a religion from birth?

A muslim, jew, whatever say aged 20 who thoroughly believes in it, surely the choice has been removed and therefore should be afforded a similar protection given to race...

 

---------- Post added 20-01-2016 at 23:21 ----------

 

I'm struggling to grasp this jew = race thing.

isn't the common denominator here the religion? british, polish and israeli jews all belong to the same race? I'm not sure I buy that...

 

Hmmm. Difficult one that. They would still need to defend their belief from criticism. Some people in Sheffield are indoctrinated with socialism from birth. They absolutely and resolutely believe it works and are in total denial about the history of it.

They should be criticised and open to ridicule. If they still believe they are correct then they will be all the better for it. Stronger in their belief. Hardened against the unbeliever.

[MLAR]

Hmmm. Difficult one that. They would still need to defend their belief from criticism. Some people in Sheffield are indoctrinated with socialism from birth. They absolutely and resolutely believe it works and are in total denial about the history of it.

They should be criticised and open to ridicule. If they still believe they are correct then they will be all the better for it. Stronger in their belief. Hardened against the unbeliever.

 

How do you think that capitalism is getting along?

 

How would it have done without intervention from Governments around the world since 2008?

 

Does the phrase "market failiure" mean anything to you? How does it impinge upon capitalism?

[L00b]

How do you think that capitalism is getting along?

Still fine and dandy since cavemen first traded a stone axe for a goat 10,000 years ago or so

 

The periodical problem with it is precisely this bit in bold:

How would it have done without intervention from Governments around the world since 2008?

 

Gvts should have let the banks and the markets take the full hit.

 

Or, if intervention there was to be come what may, then coordinated and proclaimed a global bankruptcy and reset the counters on day Tzero.

 

But not meddled ad hoc here and there with drip-feeding printed currencies. That's what has driven developing micro- and macro- economic inequalities the most in the past7 years or so.

Edited January 20, 2016 by L00b

[MLAR]

Gvts should have let the banks and the markets take the full hit.

 

Or, if intervention there was to be come what may, then coordinated and proclaimed a global bankruptcy and reset the counters on day Tzero.

 

But not meddled ad hoc here and there with drip-feeding printed currencies. That's what has driven developing micro- and macro- economic inequalities the most in the past7 years or so.

 

So, it broke seven years ago and still hasn't mended properly?

 

Why do you think that so many Governments didn't leave capitalism to sort itself out? Was there too much at stake?

[L00b]

So, it broke seven years ago and still hasn't mended properly?

It's mended fine since, to all intents and purposes. It's just taken far too long, and there's still much dead wood left hanging on that should have been pruned.

Why do you think that so many Governments didn't leave capitalism to sort itself out? Was there too much at stake?

From the point of view of potential public order failures (and the associated political fallback), probably.

 

But, personally, I was all for letting it go to the wall (or doing a bankrupcy-like reset) at he time, in the joint name of pragmatism, intellectual honesty and expediency.

 

Many of those who should have lost the most, both technically and equitably, ended up no worse off, with the little guys and the taxpayer left to hold the candle and put in hock to pay for the breakage. That's what I've found most reprehensible.

 

But generally speaking, no system is immune to failure, especially those with a proven cyclical nature. In that context, failure does not necessarily mean that the system is defective in a fundamental way, it can just be an intrinsic aspect of the system. Resilience to failure, the aptitude to bounce back/reboot and resume service, is what matters most.

Edited January 21, 2016 by L00b

[MLAR]

But, personally, I was all for letting it go to the wall (or doing a bankrupcy-like reset) at he time, in the joint name of pragmatism, intellectual honesty and expediency.

 

Many of those who should have lost the most, both technically and equitably, ended up no worse off, with the little guys and the taxpayer put in hock to pay for the breakage. That's what I've found most reprehensible.

 

I think I'm in total agreement with this bit. Letting the weak banks go to the wall would have been good from many perspectives. It would have sent a powerful message out about corporate responsibility. It would also have removed some of the least effective players from the market.

 

It would have been cheaper too. The Government could have bailed out the personal account holders, rather than the banks. That would have saved millions, if not billions.

 

Sadly, it is too late for that. So we do have to view capitalism in the same broken light as socialism. Maybe there is a happy medium that really would work.

[apelike]

Is it culture, religion, race or something else that gets everyone so upset?

 

No, the problem lies in people people starting these sort of threads that are designed to get responses that are what the OP wants.

[RonJeremy]

How do you think that capitalism is getting along?

 

How would it have done without intervention from Governments around the world since 2008?

 

Does the phrase "market failiure" mean anything to you? How does it impinge upon capitalism?

 

I'm offended you've upset my deeply held belief, you toryaphobe. I shall report you to the mods. Get you a ban. Possibly contact the police and the papers.