Detetcive Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Who are the government to say what we can and can't put into our bodies. Making these substances illegal drives the market into the underworld, where there's no quality control & and these often violent and careless gangs push poor quality, contaminated drugs onto minors. The war on drugs will never win until we have rational policies. It's outrageous Sums up my views on this pretty well. Decriminalise, legalise, regulate, tax, educate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Who are the government to say what we can and can't put into our bodies. Making these substances illegal drives the market into the underworld, where there's no quality control & and these often violent and careless gangs push poor quality, contaminated drugs onto minors. The war on drugs will never win until we have rational policies. It's outrageous I agree with you about people making their own choices in life, but there also needs to be regulation on what is sold to ensure that people are buying what they think they are, and it does what they think it does without any unknown side effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbalharry Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 regulation fine...but please dont bring a blanket ban in! scientists cant even agree what is "psychoactive" or not or what is dangerous or what constitutes a 'legal high'. All im saying is it requires much more debate! and much more attention as to what is on the exempted list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 regulation fine...but please dont bring a blanket ban in! scientists cant even agree what is "psychoactive" or not or what is dangerous or what constitutes a 'legal high'. All im saying is it requires much more debate! and much more attention as to what is on the exempted list. The trouble is regulation would put the whole market out of business. Imagine the costs involved when you bring a new drug to the market, it currently costs the pharmaceutical industry billions. The current situation is wrong though, with herbal remedies/psychoactive substances being sold as food products or even as plant food on some websites to get around the pharmaceutical regulations, so there is no guarantee of quality, or even safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 So? The new rules will require such substances to be approved in advance of going on sale rather than banned after going on sale. Surely that's safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbalharry Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 The trouble is regulation would put the whole market out of business. Imagine the costs involved when you bring a new drug to the market, it currently costs the pharmaceutical industry billions. The current situation is wrong though, with herbal remedies/psychoactive substances being sold as food products or even as plant food on some websites to get around the pharmaceutical regulations, so there is no guarantee of quality, or even safety. So fine ban these designer legal highs. But we have to first define what is and isnt a legal high. And what is dangerous or not. Is a naturally occuring plant (in the coffee family) a 'legal high' because its pschoactive? because that is what the gov is saying. But then coffee is psychoactive - are we going to ban that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 So? The new rules will require such substances to be approved in advance of going on sale rather than banned after going on sale. Surely that's safer. Why? It's not being given as a medicine, consumption is purely by choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Why? It's not being given as a medicine, consumption is purely by choice. Because it's better to find out if something is dangerous before people start taking it. Rather than collecting up the bodies and saying "oops". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 So fine ban these designer legal highs. But we have to first define what is and isnt a legal high. And what is dangerous or not. Is a naturally occuring plant (in the coffee family) a 'legal high' because its pschoactive? because that is what the gov is saying. But then coffee is psychoactive - are we going to ban that? I'm not backing the governments position, I'm just sharing what I think about the subject. It does seem that you're suggesting is that the drugs you sell should be allowed to have a different set of standards to the drugs other businesses sell, I think that's wrong I agree 100% with giving people the choice over what drugs they decide to take within reason, but part of the that choice is also about giving the people as much information about the drug that their taking as possible and also giving them assurances over quality control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey104 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Why the hell would you want to legalise this? http://youtu.be/HS7itzYpek4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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