Penistone999 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Do you have any problem with an ASBO? Yeah, they dont work . They are seen as a badge of honour by the chavs that get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 'Sexual Risk Orders were introduced in March last year and can be applied to any individual who the police believe poses a risk of sexual harm, even if they have never been convicted of a crime. They have a minimum duration of 2 years and can last indefinitely.' What I find just as alarming is that this can be introduced with no debate and no one knowing about it. What with that, and Secret courts, we should all beware the creeping power of the State. It's part of the Anti Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act of 2014. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/12/section/113/enacted If you want to read more about how it was introduced with 'no debate and no one knowing about it': http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/antisocialbehaviourcrimeandpolicingbill/stages.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) It's part of the Anti Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act of 2014. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/12/section/113/enacted If you want to read more about how it was introduced with 'no debate and no one knowing about it': http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/antisocialbehaviourcrimeandpolicingbill/stages.html Fair enough, but when were they actually going to tell us about it? Are we not entitled to hear about new laws before they're passed? I'll bet this is the most people have ever heard of it. What other laws have been put through that we know nothing about until it's too late? We all know about the 'good day to release bad news' method, but this seems to be going beyond even that. Remember 'Not knowing the law is no excuse for breaking it' according to the police. It seems this gives them carte blanche to arrest people without knowing what they've done. Edited January 23, 2016 by Anna B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfox Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 [it seems this gives them carte blanche to arrest people without knowing what they've done] No it doesn't - if you are the subject of an order you know from the terms of the order what it is you are prohibited from doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Fair enough, but when were they actually going to tell us about it? Are we not entitled to hear about new laws before they're passed? I'll bet this is the most people have ever heard of it. What other laws have been put through that we know nothing about until it's too late? We all know about the 'good day to release bad news' method, but this seems to be going beyond even that. Remember 'Not knowing the law is no excuse for breaking it' according to the police. It seems this gives them carte blanche to arrest people without knowing what they've done. He's just linked you where it was fully debated in parliament. If you goohl;e the subject you will see plenty of news articles covering the issue, it's your loss if you dont keep up to date. You can read all about what sparked the situation here, when ACPO commissioned a review of the Civil Prevention Orders Sexual Offences Act 2003 in 2013. It was sparked principally over concerns aboud child protection. http://www.ecpat.org.uk/sites/default/files/the_davies_review.pdf ---------- Post added 23-01-2016 at 17:59 ---------- It seems this gives them carte blanche to arrest people without knowing what they've done. Absolute tosh. Why not read about what the Orders are and what it involves, then you might speak from an informed position rather than not having a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoned Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 'Sexual Risk Orders were introduced in March last year and can be applied to any individual who the police believe poses a risk of sexual harm, even if they have never been convicted of a crime. They have a minimum duration of 2 years and can last indefinitely.' What I find just as alarming is that this can be introduced with no debate and no one knowing about it. What with that, and Secret courts, we should all beware the creeping power of the State. So much for us living in a country where we are judged by our peers before being labelled guilty. Its scary, just scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lottiecass Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 the small percentage that this happens to is far outweighed by getting attackers off the streets and dealing with serial offenders:roll: No dani,its like when we had the death penalty,a small percentage were innocent,if this bloke was found not guilty he should be free of any penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagel Posted January 23, 2016 Author Share Posted January 23, 2016 He's just linked you where it was fully debated in parliament. If you goohl;e the subject you will see plenty of news articles covering the issue, it's your loss if you dont keep up to date. They're very uninformative links, for instance... 113 Sexual harm prevention orders and sexual risk orders, etc (1)Schedule 5 (amendments of Parts 2 and 3 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003) has effect. (2)In section 142 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 (extent etc)— (a)in subsection (2) (provisions that extend to Northern Ireland, as well as England and Wales), for paragraph © there is substituted— “©sections 80 to 85, 86 to 88, 89 to 91, 92 to 96, 96B to 103, 122F and 130 to 136ZD; (ca)Part 2A;”; (b)after that subsection there is inserted— “(2A)Sections 85A, 96A, 96AA, 110, 117A, 119 and 123 to 129 and Schedule 3A extend only to Northern Ireland.” ©In subsection (3) (provisions that extend to Scotland, as well as England and Wales) for paragraph (a) there is substituted— “(a)sections 80 to 85, 86 to 88, 89 to 91, 92, 94 to 96, 97 to 103, 122F, 130 to 132 and 133 to 136ZB;”; (d)after that subsection there is inserted— “(3A)Sections 88A to 88I, 96A, 111A, 117B, 120 and 121 extend only to Scotland. (3B)Sections 104 to 109, 111, 112 to 117, 118 and 122 extend to Northern Ireland and Scotland but not to England and Wales. (3C)The references to section 96A in subsections (2A) and (3A) are references respectively to— (a)the section 96A inserted by the Criminal Justice Act (Northern Ireland) 2013, and (b)the section 96A inserted by the Police, Public Order and Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2006.” These Sexual Risk Orders aren't about transparent and fair justice, they're about justice by decree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lottiecass Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Yep, here you are. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35383037 Overturned on appeal? wouldn't drop with shock if it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Fair enough, but when were they actually going to tell us about it? Like this? http://www.parliament.uk/business/bills-and-legislation/ All draft bills, bills before parliament, legislation and acts. I'm sure there are plenty of other resources online to keep abreast of changes to the law, as well as legal publications and of course the televised debates and analysis. If you want to see a debate, try http://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/bbcparliament and http://parliamentlive.tv/Commons Press coverage of new laws and changes to existing laws is entirely down to the editor's discretion. Perhaps you need to read a better newspaper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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