zach Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Magilla said: I'm pretty sure my broadband provider insists I pay every month if I want to use any companys online services. Not the same thing at all! 2 minutes ago, Magilla said: How does that help these pensioners? ITV and Ch4 would fold quickly, or have to change beyond recognition. Sky would also struggle. There is no over 75's Netflix benefit... they'd end up paying a lot more for services that in many cases are totally detatched from th Why would they pay more. And why would the likes of ITV & CH4 fold. It would help if the BBC had to do the same as the rest, there wouldn't be a bill of nearly £150 to watch "any live broadcast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Just now, zach said: Not the same thing at all! It's an example of "a company that is allowed to make you pay them before you can use another companies services". If you know how to get Netflix without a broadband connection, I'm all ears! Just now, zach said: Why would they pay more. Why wouldn't they? I haven't seen anyone arguing that other FtoA services are comparable or suitable, all the talk here is of services like Netflix.... There is no free Netflix benefit for over 75's, even those on pension credit... and for that they still get no local news or current affairs coverage and radio full of adds. Unless you're suggesting that pensioners should just make do with ITV etc... they'll end up paying more. Just now, zach said: And why would the likes of ITV & CH4 fold. ITV & Channel 4 rely on advertising, the BBC is by far the most popular FtoA service in the UK, by some measure.... ad-revenue is finite. A significant chunk would now be going to the BBC and not ITV/Ch4 or Sky! ITV nearly went bust a few years ago, they (and CH4) lobbied the government at the time to allow more adverts between shows or they'd be gone already! Channel 4 said it would need a cut of the license fee to maintain it's public service commitment unless it went through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesR123 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 The people who are blaming the BBC for this are offensively ignorant. It terrifies me that these people are permitted to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, JamesR123 said: The people who are blaming the BBC for this are offensively ignorant. It terrifies me that these people are permitted to vote. Oh no! The BBC TV licence fee gravy train is under attack! Emergency! How will all those wealthy BBC people survive if the poor aren't forced by threat of a criminal record and large fine to fund their lavish lifestyles? Lets take away the right to vote from anyone who opposes the BBC! SUPPORT THE PENSIONERS. STOP THE GREEDY BBC VULTURES - BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Edited June 16, 2019 by Car Boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Magilla said: It's an example of "a company that is allowed to make you pay them before you can use another companies services". Its still not quite the same thing is it. How would you feel if you had to pay BT £150 in order to use Virgin Media for your internet. Would you be OK with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janus Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 We should all be banding together and calling for the license to be abolished, or at the very least drastically reduced. £50 per year would kick bbc salaries in to touch. The one reason why the working class (of which I'm part of) rarely win the establishment , is because they fight & argue amongst themselves. Divide and conquer almost every time. The significance of the poll tax victory was that the majority of the UK population were affected by it, and they created strength by sticking together. The government of the time backed down. Most of the UK population are probably affected by this out of date tax. It is a just and ideal oportinity to stand up and be counted. Car boot and Zach are right. The BBC should earn it's income like other broadcasters. Stand up for something or take everything laying down. How many of you are on these sort of wages? https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Hourly-Pay/BBC-Hourly-Pay-E5847.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, zach said: Its still not quite the same thing is it. How would you feel if you had to pay BT £150 in order to use Virgin Media for your internet. Would you be OK with that. It doesn't work like that and you know it. The situation would be if the law stated that everyone must pay £150 before they are allowed to have a internet connection irrelevant of what supplier they choose. The law and the licence is for ANY broadcast television. What the government chooses to do with the money is their business. On this occasion it forms the state broadcaster i.e. the BBC and also pays few other parts of broadcasting including establishment of several local TV and radio services, disability Access services and went towards part of the UK broadband rollout. All this talk about putting the BBC commercial only and thus a licence disappears is nonsense. What makes people think that if the BBC disappeared the government will suddenly scrap the licence? What makes people think that if the BBC was funded by advertising only the licence will disappear? There are plenty of other countries out there whose state broadcaster is filled with adverts but they still pay a licence fee. there are plenty of other countries out there whose licence fee is a hell of a lot higher than what we pay each year. There are countries out there who have increased taxes to fund their broadcaster instead of a licence fee. Perhaps the critics might want some of those options instead. I certainly wouldn't. Edited June 16, 2019 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Janus said: How many of you are on these sort of wages? https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Hourly-Pay/BBC-Hourly-Pay-E5847.htm If you look at most big national civil service organisations of a similar size I would suspect quite a lot quite frankly. How many layers and layers of NHS or local authority administration and management are on 30, 40, 50, 60k salaries a year. How many heads of departments, specialist quangos, chief executives are on 100k plus salaries a year. How many external consultants paid on a self-employed basis are earning £100s per day to provide their services. I don't know why you are trying to single out the BBC here. Let's also not forget there are hundreds and hundreds of lower-level employees earning nothing like that. Sounds just like any other big organisation doesn't it. Nice try. Edited June 16, 2019 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janus Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said: If you look at most big national civil service organisations of a similar size I would suspect quite a lot quite frankly. How many layers and layers of NHS or local authority administration and management are on 30, 40, 50, 60k salaries a year. How many heads of departments, specialist quangos, chief executives are on 100k plus salaries a year. How many external consultants paid on a self-employed basis are earning £100s per day to provide their services. None of these are your average working class bloke. Poor try. Edited June 16, 2019 by Janus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Magilla said: Assuming the appropiate safeguards re: impartiality and public service commitments... I'd have no problem with that. It does mean those who don't watch any telly would also have to pay though..... That's how general taxation works for the vast majority of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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