TV licence thread

[Arnold_Lane]

1 hour ago, onewheeldave said:

Gender discrimination does not require intentionality, it is about results and consequences, and the results and consequences of BBC current policy, as seen from the above quote, is gender discrimination. In any other context where women where brutalised to this extent, the BBC might well be doing a documentary to highlight the injustice- clearly they won't in this instance.

Most convicted burglars are men.  Is that unintended gender discrimination?

 

Laughable that you not only defend Car boot's pompous and silly stance but also use the word "brutalised."

 

Edited December 4, 2020 by Arnold_Lane

[onewheeldave]

3 hours ago, Arnold_Lane said:

Most convicted burglars are men.  Is that unintended gender discrimination?

 

 

 

Good point.

3 hours ago, Arnold_Lane said:

 

 

Laughable that you not only defend Car boot's pompous and silly stance but also use the word "brutalised."

 

Some of those women are single mothers who end up in prison- I think 'brutalised' is an appropriate term.

[Pettytom]

21 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

Good point.

Some of those women are single mothers who end up in prison- I think 'brutalised' is an appropriate term.

You can’t go to prison for non-payment of the tv licence.

 

So, “brutalised” is a totally inappropriate term.

[onewheeldave]

8 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

You can’t go to prison for non-payment of the tv licence.

 

So, “brutalised” is a totally inappropriate term.

They go to prison for non-payment of the consequent magistrates fines 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4130060/More-women-men-jailed-TV-licenses.html

 

"Some 20 women in England and Wales went to prison in 2015 over their TV licence, up from 11 the year before, revealed figures released by the Ministry of Justice under the Freedom of Information Act."

[Pettytom]

1 minute ago, onewheeldave said:

They go to prison for non-payment of the consequent magistrates fines 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4130060/More-women-men-jailed-TV-licenses.html

 

"Some 20 women in England and Wales went to prison in 2015 over their TV licence, up from 11 the year before, revealed figures released by the Ministry of Justice under the Freedom of Information Act."

I know. But you can’t go to prison for non-payment of the tv licence.

 

I can think of two easy ways to avoid the fine and potential subsequent imprisonment. One of the ways is totally free.

[ECCOnoob]

Just now, onewheeldave said:

They go to prison for non-payment of the consequent magistrates fines 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4130060/More-women-men-jailed-TV-licenses.html

 

"Some 20 women in England and Wales went to prison in 2015 over their TV licence, up from 11 the year before, revealed figures released by the Ministry of Justice under the Freedom of Information Act."

Need to pay it then dont they.

 

This is not exactly rocket science.   A court orders you to do something.  You do it or get punished. 

[onewheeldave]

I'm not going to waste my time trying to get through to people who are OK with single mothers being jailed over the TV license.

 

The main socially useful thing I can do here is point out that there are several causal factors that lead to these people being jailed, the most relevant one of which is that they do not know their rights.

 

If they did know their rights they wouldn't end up being fined or jailed, even though they have a tv.

 

So, if you do object to the BBCs policy, if you think it is wrong that they demand their fee even for people who don't use their tv for BBC, if you think it is socially wrong for single mothers to be jailed over the license, etc, then spread the word-

 

Anyone who gets a knock on the door and opens it to a license inspector, be aware that you are under no obligation to let them in, or even to talk to them. Simply shut the door, and go about your business.

 

They can't do a thing about it, other than sent intimidating letters and, technically, apply for  a search warrant- the chances of a judge giving them one is as close to zero as makes no difference.

 

Getting that message out to potential victims will save them from fines and jail- IMO a far better use of your time than wasting it on the likes of these threads, futiley trying to reason with license supporters.

 

 

[Pettytom]

6 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

I'm not going to waste my time trying to get through to people who are OK with single mothers being jailed over the TV license.

 

The main socially useful thing I can do here is point out that there are several causal factors that lead to these people being jailed, the most relevant one of which is that they do not know their rights.

 

If they did know their rights they wouldn't end up being fined or jailed, even though they have a tv.

 

So, if you do object to the BBCs policy, if you think it is wrong that they demand their fee even for people who don't use their tv for BBC, if you think it is socially wrong for single mothers to be jailed over the license, etc, then spread the word-

 

Anyone who gets a knock on the door and opens it to a license inspector, be aware that you are under no obligation to let them in, or even to talk to them. Simply shut the door, and go about your business.

 

They can't do a thing about it, other than sent intimidating letters and, technically, apply for  a search warrant- the chances of a judge giving them one is as close to zero as makes no difference.

 

Getting that message out to potential victims will save them from fines and jail- IMO a far better use of your time than wasting it on the likes of these threads, futiley trying to reason with license supporters.

 

 

Or, alternatively, get a tv licence.

 

Or, just don’t watch live TV.

 

Its not that difficult.

[onewheeldave]

4 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Or, alternatively, get a tv licence.

 

Or, just don’t watch live TV.

 

Its not that difficult.

There is no difficulty- just close the door

[Pettytom]

8 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

There is no difficulty- just close the door

Or, maybe, just obey the law.

 

Like most of us.