Pettytom Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Car Boot said: A new funding model is indeed needed. A basic Sky subscription costs almost three times the licence fee. It also comes with adverts I’m sure that the working class that you and your rich friends seek to exploit, will be fine with that Edited October 4, 2020 by Pettytom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 10 hours ago, whiteowl said: Just changed TV to car, should vehicle tax be removed as well? Maybe they are given a car by friends, family etc? Maybe it's been donated by a social justice team? Maybe it's an old car bought very cheaply from a charity? Maybe they purchased a car when in employment, but have since fallen on hard times? Maybe a life change has brought them to absolute poverty? As I've said before, It's an optional tax. You don't have to pay it, Why do people keep comparing a commercial company payment to tax? The BBC fee is NOT a tax. 9 hours ago, Pettytom said: A basic Sky subscription costs almost three times the licence fee. Really? Which basic one are you using to compare? I listed a few below that I use. I don't really watch 'normal' TV as most of it on all channels is tat (IMO) Amazon Prime - £7.99 (£13.12 paid to BBC for live sports events included) Netflix - £8.99 BBC - £13.12 Freeview - £0.00 but £13.12 paid to the BBC because it's live TV Freesat - £0.00 but £13.12 paid to the BBC because it's live TV The above are based on a per month cost. The main problem in my opinion is the way the BBC charge to watch any other live TV, even if you have no intention of using their service. I can understand the people who like, and watch the BBC looking after their interests, but is it really fair that the people who don't use the BBC have to pay for your TV viewing? I doubt we will ever see a solution which is fair on all...time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 17 hours ago, Car Boot said: Why do people defend the BBC when the upper tiers of its management quite clearly represent all that is privileged, elitist and firmly rooted in The Wealthy Establishment of this country? Easy, the content doesn't reflect that management. I have no doubt that the management of most companies are the same, it doesn't mean they're not doing a good job. Look at Tesco, all white faces: https://www.tescoplc.com/about/board-board-committees-and-executive-committee/executive-committee/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, zach said: The above are based on a per month cost. You haven't included the cost of broadband that is required to receive these services Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 45 minutes ago, Magilla said: You haven't included the cost of broadband that is required to receive these services Maybe not, do you only use your broadband for TV? I know I don't. It does add a cost but so does buying the TV in the first place, and the electricity to run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, zach said: Maybe not, do you only use your broadband for TV? I know I don't. It does add a cost but so does buying the TV in the first place, and the electricity to run it. True enough, but it is a related cost to the services you mention. In relation to the supposedly "persecuted poor", which I appreciate you're not necessarily commenting on but was the jist of the discussion that led to price comparisons, it's a cost that must also be included. It's also worth mentioning that the services you mention aren't really comparable to the BBC, they have no local/regional/national news output at all (for example). Edited October 5, 2020 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) Defund BBC campaigners 'pushing at open door' to scrap licence fee as momentum builds By CLAIRE ANDERSON CONSERVATIVE MP Christian Wakeford has demanded the BBC scraps its licence fee model and implements a subscription service. Mr Wakeford claimed the BBC would be able to survive on a subscription model if they provide quality entertainment. Speaking to the Defund the BBC campaign, the Tory MP noted decriminalising the BBC is the first step. He said: "We need to get rid of the licence fee model. "If the BBC is confident in their shows, the BBC does make some entertaining shows and people want to view them. Why not just have the subscription model like everybody else? You will literally survive based on whether or not you're providing quality entertainment. That really has to be the way we end up going. If that means you now have ads, which granted most people don't like, for a few extra minutes of each show so be it." The MP claimed there was momentum building for a rethink on the licence fee model in Westminster. He said: “We’re pushing against an open door, it’s just about how quickly we can get the progress we all want to see.” https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1347731/bbc-news-defund-the-bbc-tv-licence-row-latest-christian-wakefield-vn Unfortunately the BBC is not at all confident about its shows, and recognises that it simply doesn't have the quality to attract enough customers to voluntarily purchase it's product, under subscription, if the blunt legal instrument of the BBC TV licence fee were removed. The BBC is well aware that the only funding model that is viable for its very expensive product is one where fear of the consequences of not having a valid BBC TV licence menaces people into purchasing one. Time to Defund the BBC and bring it firmly into the 21st Century. Edited October 17, 2020 by Car Boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 05/10/2020 at 10:10, alchresearch said: Easy, the content doesn't reflect that management. I have no doubt that the management of most companies are the same, it doesn't mean they're not doing a good job. Look at Tesco, all white faces: https://www.tescoplc.com/about/board-board-committees-and-executive-committee/executive-committee/ Glad the BBC's content doesn't reflect the management or it would be even worse than it is now. Are you claiming that the BBC management are doing a good job then? We are not forced by law to fund Tesco so they can do what they like within the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dardandec Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 54 minutes ago, Organgrinder said: We are not forced by law to fund Tesco so they can do what they like within the law. Who is forcing you fund the BBC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 39 minutes ago, Dardandec said: Who is forcing you fund the BBC? Well, if you don't know, try watching TV without a licence and you will find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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