Is Schengen dead?

[Berberis]

I keep reading different members of EU governments claiming that there needs to be either a pause or a total abolition of the current Schengen agreement. It is the prime reason why the current flow of migrants is hard to stop as once they are within the EU borders, there is little to stop them from heading to which ever country takes their fancy.

 

What with as much as 60% of the current population entering the EU are economic migrants and not refugees. Does there need to be immigration controls at the boarders within the EU? Personally, I think there should, but as the Uk is not part of this agreement, we have little say in either its continued use or demise.

 

For those who want a visual representation of how many, where from and where these migrants are going, have a look here: http://www.lucify.com/the-flow-towards-europe/

 

---------- Post added 27-01-2016 at 13:21 ----------

 

Also this just hit the news on the BBC.

 

EU warns Greece over border controls

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35416741

 

If some countries "seriously neglect" their obligations to control external borders. What chance does the Schengen agreement have? It is being undermined by Greece (and others such as Finland).

[999tigger]

It's up to the Schengen countries. As we arent a part of it, then I cnat see why we have much say in the matter.

 

If they want to control the free movement of people then obviously they can reintroduce border controls or they can make the external border a hard border. That will require money and it will laos have an impact on the benefits of free movement, so they will have to decide which offers them the bigger advantage.

 

It is something they will have to grapple with because as long as the EU remains prosperous then the attraction for economic migrants will always be there.

 

What they should be doing is putting more resources into fatser processing and deporting people who have no right to be here.

 

Btw its not dead, but is under severe pressure. What seems to be even more terminal is Dublin becayse it was never meant to cope with the current situation and is unworkable.

Edited January 27, 2016 by 999tigger

[NigelFargate]

I keep reading different members of EU governments claiming that there needs to be either a pause or a total abolition of the current Schengen agreement. It is the prime reason why the current flow of migrants is hard to stop as once they are within the EU borders, there is little to stop them from heading to which ever country takes their fancy.

 

What with as much as 60% of the current population entering the EU are economic migrants and not refugees. Does there need to be immigration controls at the boarders within the EU? Personally, I think there should, but as the Uk is not part of this agreement, we have little say in either its continued use or demise.

 

For those who want a visual representation of how many, where from and where these migrants are going, have a look here: http://www.lucify.com/the-flow-towards-europe/

 

---------- Post added 27-01-2016 at 13:21 ----------

 

Also this just hit the news on the BBC.

 

EU warns Greece over border controls

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35416741

 

If some countries "seriously neglect" their obligations to control external borders. What chance does the Schengen agreement have? It is being undermined by Greece (and others such as Finland).

 

Schengen is another example of EU dogmatism on a collision course with reality (the Euro currency is another).

 

Schengen sounded like a good idea, i.e. giving EU 'citizens' the opportunity to travel and migrate across borders, similar to the freedom US citizens have within the USA. However, even at the time of its formation, there were sceptics and siren voices (such as Mrs. Thatcher) saying that the system would have no effective answers to the problem of illegal migration and cross-border crime and terrorism. Moreover, critics were also very sceptical about the prospects of the EU developing strong external borders. How right they were!

 

The problem is that Schengen, like the Euro project and many other EU policies, is regarded as an article of faith by the key decision makers within the EU. So it will probably survive in a de jure sense, even though de facto the member states will continue to amend and weaken it in various ways..

[ANGELFIRE1]

Dead and buried, THEY just will not admit it.

 

Angel1.

[Quik]

Deader than a Raqqa cartoonist.

[999tigger]

Cant see why you are getting so excited by it, they can close it down and bring it back as needed. If the UK leaves the EU, then it's really up to them what they do.

 

I dont see the camp at Calais going any time soon.

[Quik]

Cant see why you are getting so excited by it, they can close it down and bring it back as needed. If the UK leaves the EU, then it's really up to them what they do.

 

I dont see the camp at Calais going any time soon.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/12118368/British-anarchists-arrested-as-migrants-stormed-Port-of-Calais.html

 

The French are losing patience. A solution will be found soon enough and we both know it won't be letting them all into the UK after the Sangatte debacle.

[999tigger]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/12118368/British-anarchists-arrested-as-migrants-stormed-Port-of-Calais.html

 

The French are losing patience. A solution will be found soon enough and we both know it won't be letting them all into the UK after the Sangatte debacle.

 

They are demolishing a third of the camp so they move into custom made shelters.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35327083

Theyve had all this before and tbh I dont see the French doing much. If they suspend schengen it will stake considerable border forces and money to get something effective in place.

 

It wont put an end to smuggling or people wanting to get to the UK.

 

Dont think the French in Calais matter that much, when compared to opinion in Paris.

Edited January 28, 2016 by 999tigger