Anna B Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I am all for apprenticeships, and training, especially in areas where there are skill shortages, but more and more I hear of apprenticeships that really are nothing of the kind and unnecessary. For example a friend of mine went for a bar job in a pub. He's had plenty of experience, is personable and friendly and knew they had a vacancy there. He was surprised to hear they wanted an apprentice. He decided to ask a few questions. How long would the apprentice ship last? What sort of skills would be taught? What was the criteria for passing? Was it accredited? Would there be a job at the end of it? They didn't have much idea for any of them and obviously wanted him to leave. It came as no surprise to find out the pay was £3.70 an hour. So a barman on the cheap, when there are plenty of 'qualified' people who could do the job. Who pays this? Is it the good old taxpayer again? I wouldn't have thought this country needed any more unemployed barmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbalife Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 My son has just got a apprentaship he was 17 and earning £20 per day but now at 18 has had a increase to £220 per week. However he brings home 190 the rest is taken for tax NI How much do you pay in tax and NI now days please anyone Xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*_ash_* Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 My son has just got a apprentaship he was 17 and earning £20 per day but now at 18 has had a increase to £220 per week. However he brings home 190 the rest is taken for tax NI How much do you pay in tax and NI now days please anyone Xx £190? What kind of money is that? NMW should be that per hour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbalife Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 £190? What kind of money is that? NMW should be that per hour! What do you mean? He brings home on hundred and ninety pounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikki-red Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I agree there are a lot of companies out there that would use an apprentice as cheap labour, but there are some good, genuine ones out there. My son started an apprenticeship in orthopaedic engineering at 16 and was coming out with £180 per week. Hes now 18 brings home around £280 before overtime. He also started his HNC in September that his firm are funding. Its a shame that apprenticeships in general often have quite a bad name, but its hardly surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 My son has just got a apprentaship he was 17 and earning £20 per day but now at 18 has had a increase to £220 per week. However he brings home 190 the rest is taken for tax NI How much do you pay in tax and NI now days please anyone Xx £220 a week is about 11.5k a year. 10,600 of that will be tax free and everything else 20% tax plus around £10 - £12 national insurance. £190 ish net pay sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I agree there are a lot of companies out there that would use an apprentice as cheap labour, but there are some good, genuine ones out there. My son started an apprenticeship in orthopaedic engineering at 16 and was coming out with £180 per week. Hes now 18 brings home around £280 before overtime. He also started his HNC in September that his firm are funding. Its a shame that apprenticeships in general often have quite a bad name, but its hardly surprising. Sounds the ideal set up for both sides. I've read horror stories from employees (donkey work and no training) and employers (high quality training and and then said newly qualified apprentice goes before the ink has dried on their hnc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 I agree there are a lot of companies out there that would use an apprentice as cheap labour, but there are some good, genuine ones out there. My son started an apprenticeship in orthopaedic engineering at 16 and was coming out with £180 per week. Hes now 18 brings home around £280 before overtime. He also started his HNC in September that his firm are funding. Its a shame that apprenticeships in general often have quite a bad name, but its hardly surprising. But isn't anyone checking and weeding out the bad ones? Do we need apprentice shelf stackers etc? Does the government pay the employers to take on apprentices? In that case it's tax payers money and the government surely has a duty to see that they are proper apprenticeships in shortage areas, with proper prospects of jobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 But isn't anyone checking and weeding out the bad ones? Do we need apprentice shelf stackers etc? Does the government pay the employers to take on apprentices? In that case it's tax payers money and the government surely has a duty to see that they are proper apprenticeships in shortage areas, with proper prospects of jobs? Ah, but it's private companies putting kids in placements for a bounty. I've had a few determined that they can put someone in my firm and it is impossible at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orzel Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 This is 2011/12 but gives you idea what value apprenticeships have. Morrisons Become Largest Provider of Apprenticeships in the UK One in 10 apprentices in England works at Morrisons Because you need so much training to scan barcodes and face stock on shelves. There are some real ones. But having apprentice that you'll want to offer permanent position is another thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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