IDS finally gets his ESA disability benefit cuts

[Quik]

Thing is I don't think it is - I believe that it is only about £70 odd quid a week. Hardly a King's ransom. Though claimants get their housing benefit paid for and their council tax. And if they have health needs, which many of the claimants of ESA will undoubtedly have, they also get their prescriptions paid for.

 

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Maybe they need the extra money to help them work - issues to do with mobility or support.....

 

I think the job centre staff can sort out specific needs that are preventing people getting work.

 

While certain people may have specific requirements it makes sense to cover off to help them back to work quicker it seems way OTT to give everybody in the 'can work but have a medical issue' group 50% more than the 'can work' group.

 

Not in the least that it creates an obvious perverse incentive for those intent on not working to try it on to get a 50% 'pay rise'.

[Anna B]

That is my point exactly.

Legislation makes people able to work more equal.

It still differentiates between those unemployed because of health condition by giving them ESA rather then JSA.

Difference is JSA can be taken away from those displaying too much work shyness while ESA can't.

If people are being assigned to wrong group that is completely different issue that has nothing to do with this piece of legislation.

As I stated before.

 

I believe DLA (Disabled living allowance) is also changing to become PIP (Personal Independence Payment.)

 

Basically, people will have to start applying all over again. This will require more paperwork, more doctors letters, more hospital appointments, more consultants letters, more physical examinations, more assessments etc etc etc....

 

At a time when the NHS is being worked off its feet, with shortages of doctors, nurses and specialists, do they really need this added to their workload? Never mind the money it will cost...

[Mister M]

Thing is I don't think it is - I believe that it is only about £70 odd quid a week. Hardly a King's ransom. Though claimants get their housing benefit paid for and their council tax. And if they have health needs, which many of the claimants of ESA will undoubtedly have, they also get their prescriptions paid for.

 

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Maybe they need the extra money to help them work - issues to do with mobility or support.....

 

I think those things are taken care already since they are on ESA.

 

Yes my apologies Employment Support Allowance is a benefit for those out of work....It's the name that confused into thinking that it was there to help working disabled people

[Orzel]

Whole system gets overhauled.

That piece of law is just one of many that is aimed at getting people back into active life.

Our benefit system is just too giving and that is why people that really need it can't get help.

Spongers are taking money that should be spent on those in need and there is no infinite amount of money. It's only as much as we can work out.

But it doesn't sound as catching as 'Tories are eating babies, killing disabled on fox hunts and roll around in piles of money'.

[Stranza]

Whole system gets overhauled.

That piece of law is just one of many that is aimed at getting people back into active life.

Our benefit system is just too giving and that is why people that really need it can't get help.

Spongers are taking money that should be spent on those in need and there is no infinite amount of money. It's only as much as we can work out.

But it doesn't sound as catching as 'Tories are eating babies, killing disabled on fox hunts and roll around in piles of money'.

 

Where is the proof of the generosity though?

I don't for a second believe there are no frauds but is it OK to squeeze vulnerable people just to catch a few?

[Mister M]

Where is the proof of the generosity though?

I don't for a second believe there are no frauds but is it OK to squeeze vulnerable people just to catch a few?

 

That's a very good point. Many of the most vulnerable people in our society are on a cliff edge, and it does seem that the anger over a small number of people who take the **** over rides any feeling of compassion for those at rock bottom.

There will always be people who take the mick, and they should be dealt with. But not at the expense of the vulnerable - it's obscene that many of them have been driven to starvation, illness and suicide.

[sgtkate]

Living wage, 20 hours plus. Staff discount. Free meal and paid breaks. 5 weeks holiday. I have found 1 new employee. Will see how it pans out as to of I need anyone else later in the year.

 

Fair play to you for paying living wage. Hope your company is hugely successful!

[Orzel]

There is quite a lot of people who are not fraudsters but spongers still.

I'll give you an example.

Late 30s, male, 11 pound per hour job, able bodied.

Lives in newish big house provided by council at discount rate.

Started to work half time because he will get so much in benefits of all sorts that it's more then he gets from working full time.

So instead of making contribution he makes withdrawal.

That money could go to people who are really in need, instead they go to someone who knows how to play the system.

And it's all perfectly legal. You can even get loads of advice how to play same game for free.

Hopefully benefit cuts will move benefits from spongers to people in need.

[Brian Equato]

I'm sure if anyone's got any good ideas about how to magic up the extra tens of billions of pounds needed to run the country without adding to the trillion pound national debt by borrowing it, or making numerous vote losing cuts, or taxing people daft enough to get up and go to work even more, HM government would be only too happy to hear them.

Taxing Starbucks, Facebook, Amazon etc properly would be a start, admitted but billionaires and multi-national companies run off abroad if you hit them too hard then you don't get owt.

[Anna B]

I'm sure if anyone's got any good ideas about how to magic up the extra tens of billions of pounds needed to run the country without adding to the trillion pound national debt by borrowing it, or making numerous vote losing cuts, or taxing people daft enough to get up and go to work even more, HM government would be only too happy to hear them.

Taxing Starbucks, Facebook, Amazon etc properly would be a start, admitted but billionaires and multi-national companies run off abroad if you hit them too hard then you don't get owt.

 

Getting the correct tax out of these companies would solve the problem many times over.

 

We have to give them nowhere to run, by making taxes over certain amount a global rate. All these meetings of world leaders at places like Davos and Bilderberg etc could do it in one fell swoop.

 

They won't of course. Too many vested interests and snouts in troughs. Since when were governments about the best interests of the people? Much easier to target the poorest in society who can't fight back, even though it will yield only a drop in the ocean.

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Whole system gets overhauled.

That piece of law is just one of many that is aimed at getting people back into active life.

Our benefit system is just too giving and that is why people that really need it can't get help.

Spongers are taking money that should be spent on those in need and there is no infinite amount of money. It's only as much as we can work out.

But it doesn't sound as catching as 'Tories are eating babies, killing disabled on fox hunts and roll around in piles of money'.

 

The whole system is in chaos thanks to this government's attempt to 'overhaul' benefits. Changing DLA into PIP for no good reason is a perfect example.

Edited March 10, 2016 by Anna B