Where did we go wrong?

[Anna B]

We may be naturally tribal but that means we do not collaborate and share. We want to dominate and control and when that does not work out to our satisfaction we then wage war.

 

Surely that depends on resources. When resources ie food is plentiful there is no need to fight and sharing is easy. Fighting is only necessary when resources are scarce and survival depends on gaining enough to sustain life, but here again, within a tribe, sharing limited resources is even more necessary to maintain the optimum number of people, (hence rationing during the second world war.)

 

We live in a time of plenty with enough to go round everyone. As I stated in my opening post, enough food, enough homes, enough money. It is the system of distribution (or sharing) that is wrong and that is where it all starts to unravel.

[Solomon1]

We may be naturally tribal but that means we do not collaborate and share. We want to dominate and control and when that does not work out to our satisfaction we then wage war

 

Tribes DO collaborate and share dude

 

That's the whole point of having one

[*_ash_*]

Tribes DO collaborate and share dude

 

That's the whole point of having one

 

Share?

 

Trade is probably better word if they are collaborating.

 

If you go back in time, when a group found food/water/shelter source which is enough for themselves, do you think they just invited in other tribes to come and share?

 

Not a bit of. The practice would be more like, have you got anything to bring us in exchange, if not, sod off, and we'll fight for this.

[apelike]

Share?

 

Trade is probably better word if they are collaborating.

 

If you go back in time, when a group found food/water/shelter source which is enough for themselves, do you think they just invited in other tribes to come and share?

 

Not a bit of. The practice would be more like, have you got anything to bring us in exchange, if not, sod off, and we'll fight for this.

 

Very true and it still happens today, just look at some tribes in the Amazon and Africa to see that and also some countries. We may have grown as a species and have a modern civilisation but we still have that inbuilt tribal mentality despite the rise of modern capitalism.

 

Religion also promotes that ideal.

[Solomon1]

Not a bit of. The practice would be more like, have you got anything to bring us in exchange, if not, sod off, and we'll fight for this

 

And you know this how?

 

Because you're part of a modern subsistence tribe?

[*_ash_*]

And you know this how?

 

 

Well, I think it's pretty obvious since you ask Solomon!

 

You can read history books about countries and territories, or there are plenty of documentaries on BBC4 type thing which give seemingly reasonable explanations of how our ancestors lived and survived. Look at recent history (say last few hundred years which has a lot more evidence). Or perhaps even watch nature programmes and look at how other species act. Or even further still, just be more observant in your daily life*.

 

The fact that you don't get it, is because you're a product of modern society who has little clue about surviving because pretty much everything in western society is on a plate and fairly simple. Which it is really for almost all of us in the UK.

 

 

 

 

*example for you (got to be extreme I suppose to explain). Let's say we find ourselves in the UK under attack tomorrow (from whatever means) - electricity goes off, fuel runs out, shops runs out of food, no apparent communication, police collapses... what would you do? What would I do? Bleedin goodness knows! We be absolutely fooked!

 

How long before you would be grouping with people? Within a week I'd bet. Who would you be looking to join Sol? The drunken bruisers from the pub type groups, or the clever ones?

 

(personally, I'd probably go for the clever ones, and get tooled up )

 

When you found a source of food, just enough for yourselves, you going to share it with the people who wouldn't share it with you if they found it first?

 

Trading would start if and when some kind of civilisation occurs, which it almost certainly would, because once each party settles, and has found something that the other haven't, they have something to trade with others what they want themselves.

 

This example sounds a bit like American prison programmes but to be fair, the fact of too many people in a place with limited resources means it probably isn't far off what would happen!

[mrcharlie]

Simple answer...

 

GREED

[sutty27]

Simple answer...

 

GREED

 

Greed is a natural human instinct and is very likely to be the reason you exist.

[Ted Heath]

A quick Google will show this as the top 10 most socialistic countries.

 

http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

 

China

Denmark

Finland

Netherlands

Canada

Sweden

Norway

Ireland

New Zealand

Belgium

 

It obviously depends on what you call socialist and how socialism is embedded in the running of a country. The last UK Labour party in the UK was classed as socialist but was it?

 

China is a Communist country the rest are Social Democrats. There is a difference. They all operate a capitalist system. Even China. No country operates a socialist programme, it is not possible in the modern world. It has never worked.

[Solomon1]

You can read history books about countries and territories, or there are plenty of documentaries on BBC4 type thing which give seemingly reasonable explanations of how our ancestors lived and survived

 

So in other words

 

You have no EXPERIENCE of modern tribal living?

 

Collaboration is the name of the game for survival these days dude

 

http://dhss.alaska.gov/ocs/Pages/icwa/tscg/tscg.aspx

 

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Greed is a natural human instinct and is very likely to be the reason you exist

 

This might be true for you mate

 

It ain't true for me, or for most of people I know