ANGELFIRE1 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 The budget statement is policy, not things up for consultation. Or that's what I have always understood it to be. Have I been wrong all this time. Looks to me that the Tory's are back peddling at a rate of nots, and are grasping at straws to get them out of the mire, the mire which they have made for themselves. Angel1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Nah, they're policy statements now. You can't have four budgets in a year really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Heath Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 You can lead the horse to water, you cant make it drink, the party has a majority of only 17, if sufficient of the one nationers on our side decide it it is unfair the government will have to back off. Personally, I think there is still plenty to save in the welfare budget, but there is also plenty to save elsewhere, OAPs have had an easy ride. So has the overseas aid budget. Radical thinking is necessary unless the NHS collapses under its own weight. The "mire" is not of their making, it is the creation of the Labour party, who bankrupted us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 You can lead the horse to water, you cant make it drink, the party has a majority of only 17, if sufficient of the one nationers on our side decide it it is unfair the government will have to back off. Personally, I think there is still plenty to save in the welfare budget, but there is also plenty to save elsewhere, OAPs have had an easy ride. So has the overseas aid budget. Radical thinking is necessary unless the NHS collapses under its own weight. The "mire" is not of their making, it is the creation of the Labour party, who bankrupted us. The basic State Pension. The most you can currently get is £115.95 per week. https://www.gov.uk/state-pension/overview Considering that most will have worked and paid tax all their lives, and most of us will end up too old to work at some point in the future, it doesn't look that fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) The budget statement is policy, not things up for consultation. Or that's what I have always understood it to be. Have I been wrong all this time. Looks to me that the Tory's are back peddling at a rate of nots, and are grasping at straws to get them out of the mire, the mire which they have made for themselves. Angel1. Budgets have always needed parliamentary approval, they are not edicts. ---------- Post added 21-03-2016 at 13:28 ---------- Nah, they're policy statements now. You can't have four budgets in a year really. We haven't had 4 budgets in a year. 1. 2015 (March) Spring budget - Normal 2. 2015 (July) Post election budget - Normal 3. 2015 (November) Autumn Statement - Normal: Been happening since Geoffrey Howe was chancellor in 1982 The 4th budget people are talking about is this years spring budget (March 2016), so it's not the fourth, its the first budget of 2016. Last year was an election year so having 1 extra budget is totally normal due to the government wanting to implement its manifesto pledges. 2010 was exactly the same. Labour had their budget in March and after they lost the election there was another budget by the coalition, followed by another Autumn statement. Edited March 21, 2016 by Berberis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidonica Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 The basic State Pension. The most you can currently get is £115.95 per week. https://www.gov.uk/state-pension/overview Considering that most will have worked and paid tax all their lives, and most of us will end up too old to work at some point in the future, it doesn't look that fantastic. The state pension is going up to £155.65 per week from April 2016 but if you retired before this date it's just a couple of quid extra per week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamston Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 No message is needed. The facts are the Conservatives won the last election with a clear majority. The majority is a small one, but workable. The facts are after the result of the EU referendum, the infighting will stop and the Consevatives will have nearly 4 years to prepare for the next General Election. The message to Labour is they have no chance of winning a General Election with their current leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I'd rather have a government that listens to the people and changes its plans based on public opinion and consultation rather than blindly going ahead regardless (Labour's ID card scheme anyone?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 You can lead the horse to water, you cant make it drink, the party has a majority of only 17, if sufficient of the one nationers on our side decide it it is unfair the government will have to back off. Personally, I think there is still plenty to save in the welfare budget, but there is also plenty to save elsewhere, OAPs have had an easy ride. So has the overseas aid budget. Radical thinking is necessary unless the NHS collapses under its own weight. The "mire" is not of their making, it is the creation of the Labour party, who bankrupted us. Hang on didn't the Tories promise to back Labour's spending commitments?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6975536.stm Didn't the Tories say that we should deregulate the financial markets further? http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2010/11/osbornes-paean-to-the-irish-economy/ Didn't Osborne in 2010 promise to have cleared the deficit by 2015? http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/george-osborne-has-failed-in-his-deficit-reduction-ambitions-and-the-tories-are-likely-to-pay-a-9628526.html What about Osborne's thoughts on National debt? George Osborne is borrowing £219bn more than he said he would at the General Election. He has grown National Debt by more Labour Chancellors added together ever did, according to http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/2015/01/100-biggest-failures-of-david-camerons.html ---------- Post added 21-03-2016 at 13:59 ---------- No message is needed. The facts are the Conservatives won the last election with a clear majority. The majority is a small one, but workable. The facts are after the result of the EU referendum, the infighting will stop and the Consevatives will have nearly 4 years to prepare for the next General Election. The message to Labour is they have no chance of winning a General Election with their current leader. If you think people like Bill Cash, IDS, John Redwood et. al will stop fighting if they are on the losing side of the referendum argument then you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I'd rather have a government that listens to the people and changes its plans based on public opinion and consultation rather than blindly going ahead regardless (Labour's ID card scheme anyone?). My sentiments exactly. There is nothing wrong with changing your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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