Did we settle or invade Australia?

[Cyclone]

Occupation is not a requirement for ownership, unless you'd like me to claim your garden as mine since you aren't occupying it...

 

How does the current UK state get ownership of the UK? How is it that Hillsborough park is owned by SCC?

 

You're back to making an argument that it's okay to steal it if there isn't a force capable of stopping you. Morally bankrupt.

[sutty27]

Occupation is not a requirement for ownership, unless you'd like me to claim your garden as mine since you aren't occupying it...

 

How does the current UK state get ownership of the UK? How is it that Hillsborough park is owned by SCC?

 

You're back to making an argument that it's okay to steal it if there isn't a force capable of stopping you. Morally bankrupt.

 

Walking on land isn't evidence of ownership, I walk all over the place but that doesn't mean I own the land. Where is your evidence that the Land mass we now call Australia was owned by Aborigines. Australia wasn't owned by anyone so it couldn't be stolen.

[Cyclone]

So you're back to denying that the people who lived there owned the land.

 

We might as well claim that France isn't owned by the French and just steal it then. Oh wait, we call that invasion.

[carosio]

Whether we (our forefathers) invaded, settled, or colonised the country, whoever actually "owns" Australia is surely for the Australians themselves to decide, if it's not decided already.

[sutty27]

So you're back to denying that the people who lived there owned the land.

 

We might as well claim that France isn't owned by the French and just steal it then. Oh wait, we call that invasion.

So we are back the Europeans own Europe and the people from the middle east have no right to invade us, so we should do as the Aborigines tried to do and repel them with force.

[carosio]

Interesting: "Who owns Australia?

 

Its Aboriginal people do, claim ever more of their leaders.

 

One of them is Michael Ghillar Anderson, the last survivor of the four young men who set up the Aboriginal Embassy in Canberra in 1972 and now heads the Sovereign Union of First Nations and Peoples in Australia, set up by the embassy’s 40th anniversary corroboree on 26 January 2012.

 

Mr Anderson is the leader of the 3,000 Euahlayi people who inhabit parts of northwest New South Wales and southwest Queensland.

 

His central tenet is that Queen Victoria issued a so-called order in council – which is absolute law – that no lands or resources were to be taken away from Aborigines and that their governance and way of life were not to be interfered with.

 

Constitutional experts in London have advised him that only a reigning monarch – which now would have to be Queen Elizabeth II – could overturn the original order by making a new one, and until that happens the original order remains law.

 

Hence Australia remains a colony of the British Crown.

 

Former prime minister, John Howard, tried to nullify that law but Mr Anderson and his experts argue that he failed.

 

Mr Anderson (Nyoongar Ghurradjong Murri Ghillar) brilliantly argued his case to the “Festival of Dangerous Ideas” in the Sydney Opera House on 28 September 2012. He suggests that the only way forward is a treaty between the settler society and the Indigenous nations.

 

Here’s how the organisers billed the speech on the festival website:

 

“Twenty-first century Australia is built on the premise that the British Government acquired title to the country more than 200 years ago. Although significant shifts in our understanding have taken place in recent decades, this basic ownership has been unchallenged. But what if it could be proved that Aboriginal people never lost sovereignty over Australia? If our governments had to negotiate to salvage their legitimacy, could they come to terms with this shift in the balance of power and forge a new understanding between black and white Australia?

 

Michael Anderson (Nyoongar Ghurradjong Murri Ghillar) is an Aboriginal rights activist, community leader, lecturer and long-standing political figure who was appointed by his peers as the first Aboriginal ambassador to white Australia in the 1970s."

 

Source: http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/politics/who-owns-australia#ixzz454XXrToL

[Quik]

Australia is what Australia is now. Telling the aboriginals it's really 'their' country just distracts from the very real problems of child abuse, alcoholism and domestic violence that are endemic in their communities. Focus on improving the mindset and morals of that community not on fantasies that they are going to get given the deeds to a modern white nation.

[SnailyBoy]

Australia is what Australia is now. Telling the aboriginals it's really 'their' country just distracts from the very real problems of child abuse, alcoholism and domestic violence that are endemic in their communities. Focus on improving the mindset and morals of that community not on fantasies that they are going to get given the deeds to a modern white nation.

 

3/10 for effort

[mafya]

Australia is what Australia is now. Telling the aboriginals it's really 'their' country just distracts from the very real problems of child abuse, alcoholism and domestic violence that are endemic in their communities. Focus on improving the mindset and morals of that community not on fantasies that they are going to get given the deeds to a modern white nation.

 

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It is also endemic in white communities if we are going down that route..

[Quik]

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It is also endemic in white communities if we are going down that route..

 

No it isn't. You seemingly don't understand what endemic means.

 

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3/10 for effort

 

Huh? Do you want to challange any of the facts or just make stupid snidy wahs?