Did we settle or invade Australia?

[runningman1]

About 3k died. 3k whites died. Sad but lets move on.

 

That is not true. Do you have any evidence to support that figure? Even if it was true, it would still be an invasion. It doesn't become not an invasion because an equal number of people died (it wasn't an equal number by the way).

[Quik]

That is not true. Do you have any evidence to support that figure? Even if it was true, it would still be an invasion. It doesn't become not an invasion because an equal number of people died (it wasn't an equal number by the way).

 

Look, they rejected diversity with violence and isolated incidents occurred.

 

Its all fine now. Stop being reactionary.

[tinfoilhat]

Actually I don't really care what word an Australian university uses to describe the takeover of Australia by Western people and ideas. It happened and it's a better place to live now.

 

Well, maybe for western settlers over the years. There's an argument that the lot of the average aborigany (and the continent in general) took a nose dive when we rocked up and hasn't ever really improved.

 

Countless English cricketers would have been happier if had been left alone too;)

[sutty27]

Really? Who do you think did it then?

 

I had a colleague whose great (great?) grandfather used to go to church on a sunday morning (in Australia) and then go out hunting 'Aboes' in the afternoon. It was perfectly legal to shoot Aborigines, as they were considered 'vermin' well into the 19th century.

 

The ancestor's of people living in Australian and that isn't us, but even if they were our ancestors, what they did is is not our responsibility.

 

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You can't tell the truth about Halibut. He'll grass you up like a little baby.

He can't stand it when he loses an argument. Toys right out of the pram.

 

After 12 year you would think he would be used to it.

 

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did we just pull up a sofa and sit down comfortably? maybe crack open a beer, with the feet up?

 

The people that settled Australia, not us my the way, landed and set up settlements and a penal colony, and defended themselves when the natives attacked.

[Halibut]

Look, they rejected diversity with violence and isolated incidents occurred.

 

Its all fine now. Stop being reactionary.

 

Defending murder. What next, rape?

[Halibut]

You could defend terrorism instead.

 

Never have Ron, not in my nature. I think you'll find I've always condemned it.

[alchresearch]

What a forum. I started reading page 1 where it was discussing how the Aboriginies got there, quick skip to P5 and its arguments about Islam.

[Cyclone]

Because its already over populated and Australia isn't and wasn't when it was settled.

 

How many Humans lived in Australia when the first Europeans arrived?

 

So it would be okay if I go and settle part of Texas then. Basically you're saying you can steal the land from whoever lives on it, if you first define it as "not overpopulated"... Very moral.

 

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No it wasn't taken by force, it was settled with no force used.

 

Even if that were remotely true, you're saying that it's okay to steal something if you don't use force...

 

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There were various criminal incidents on both sides and the death toll appears fairly evenly matched between whites and aboriginals. Hardly a one sided affair.

 

You've redefined "resisting invading force" as a criminal act. Typical behaviour of an advanced invading civilisation to make the theft morally justified.

 

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As there were no 'white invaders' I'm confused as to how they killed anyone? White settlers, not all of them volunteers of the best morals, did commit (further) criminal acts against the abos, the abos started it to be fair, death toll was around 3k each of a couple of centurys.

 

Go and read up on the subject and stop viewing everything through a prism of evil Brits stomping round the globe murdering duskys. It really wasn't like that.

 

What do you imagine "settling" without the permission of the people who own the land is, if not invasion?

[Mr Bloke]

What a forum. I started reading page 1 where it was discussing how the Aboriginies got there, quick skip to P5 and its arguments about Islam.

I stopped reading soon after post#44...

 

... because no-one seems the slightest bit concerned about poor old Cleethorpes!

[Cyclone]

If a group of Polish settlers settled in Sheffield and the locals kicked off and started a battle, would you say the settlers started it for settling in Sheffield or the locals started it because they didn't like outsiders?

 

If by settle you mean that they annexed part of Hillsborough park and started putting up houses, then violently resisted the police who had lawful authority to stop them, then I'd say that the Polish 'settlers' started it.

 

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You can't tell the truth about Halibut. He'll grass you up like a little baby.

He can't stand it when he loses an argument. Toys right out of the pram.

 

He hasn't lost an argument. He's just offended by the racist views of Quik.

 

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Well actually it is exactly like that. Until someone occupies the land and marks a border, or do you think that a man setting foot on a continent means they have settled the entire continent.

If you are refering to the Norman Conquest of Britain it was another 500 years before the country became a united kingdom.

 

So it's okay to steal something if you pretend to not recognise it's ownership. If that helps you sleep at night.

 

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The ancestor's of people living in Australian and that isn't us, but even if they were our ancestors, what they did is is not our responsibility.

 

Is your entire argument based on the principle that you're scared someone will try to make you take responsibility for it?

 

Nobody has said that anyone in the UK is responsible for the history. Just acknowledging what happens doesn't somehow make the people in the UK today (or even Australia today) responsible for it.