Working full-time, fined by government for going on holiday!

[I1L2T3]

I was going to post to your earlier reply but I might come back to that, but this!

 

This ^^

 

Well well below your posting standard.

 

Poor really, and makes me less interested in politics in here, when intelligent posters fall to the level of even the QT audience

 

The fact is she has been turned into a target and there will be many more like her.

 

The obvious problem is that under new rules the punishing compliance and conditionality regimes are now being applied to people in work, in some cases to people (even single parents) who are working almost full-time.

 

I can see a lot of problems with that, even if you can't.

[Bob Arctor]

The fact is she has been turned into a target and there will be many more like her.

 

The obvious problem is that under new rules the punishing compliance and conditionality regimes are now being applied to people in work, in some cases to people (even single parents) who are working almost full-time.

 

I can see a lot of problems with that, even if you can't.

 

If they do roll out UC to everyone who requires some kind of top up to have a liveable income, lots of people will lose money as well as being subjected to the level of state intrusion into their home lives that this woman has. It's the plan B for the tax credit cuts the government wanted to make that were blocked by the House of Lords. Single parents are calculated to be the most affected, losing up to £200 a month.

[I1L2T3]

If they do roll out UC to everyone who requires some kind of top up to have a liveable income, lots of people will lose money as well as being subjected to the level of state intrusion into their home lives that this woman has. It's the plan B for the tax credit cuts the government wanted to make that were blocked by the House of Lords. Single parents are calculated to be the most affected, losing up to £200 a month.

 

I don't want people to misunderstand my view on this.

 

There are a lot of people working the 16 hours a week tax credits top-up scam. You know the ones, the owners of fake or barely viable cupcake businesses or dog walking businesses etc... They are the ones to target although I can see much easier ways of doing it than UC.

 

But this lady is working an average of 30 hours a week, sometimes up to 50 hours. She's a single mum who is obviously managing her home and finances well. The system is either targeting the wrong people or the conditionality on UC is too broadly applied and ambitious.

[RonJeremy]

I don't want people to misunderstand my view on this.

 

There are a lot of people working the 16 hours a week tax credits top-up scam. You know the ones, the owners of fake or barely viable cupcake businesses or dog walking businesses etc... They are the ones to target although I can see much easier ways of doing it than UC.

 

But this lady is working an average of 30 hours a week, sometimes up to 50 hours. She's a single mum who is obviously managing her home and finances well. The system is either targeting the wrong people or the conditionality on UC is too broadly applied and ambitious.

 

But she isn't - She's managing the taxpayers' money. The taxpayer should not be funding her holiday.

 

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How much is this figure?

 

About £7.90 an hour in Sheffield, clearly it varies considerably throughout the country.

 

£8.25 per hour outside london,

£9.40 per hour in london

 

from these people

 

http://www.livingwage.org.uk/what-living-wage

 

The tories are trying to get somewhere near that figure. Obviously they can't do it in one fell swoop. Businesses would go bust all over the place.

[Gmeow]

This woman is doing everything the government want but has dared to take a holiday

 

It is isn't her who has created an economy of low wages....but she is willing to work for it...pulling pints instead of being at home reading her kids stories and helping with homework...

 

She is willing to work on an insecure zero hours contract

 

It isn't her who has created a crazy housing market where you can't get mortgages on a minimum wage and housing rents have become ridiculous due to 'market forces' of morally bankrupt I'm aL right Jack landlords

 

So she claims the universal credit the government says she is entitled to and incidentally supports many profitable corporations to pay workers low wages

 

How else is she supposed to manage it?

 

Then she might stick £20 a week away for a year to pay for her holiday.....how dare she?

 

She might have saved that £20 by shopping at aldi, not having heating on as much who knows?

 

What do people want for her. 10 to a room workhouse? Gruel for sustenance? 12 hours 6 days and a lecture on being virtuous in Sunday morning?

 

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The country is a disgrace

 

On one hand we have affordable housing £250 k but a minimum wage of £8 an hour

 

Let's do the maths

 

A couple both work 37 hrs so 74 hours

At £8 an hour ...so £592 called it £600 for 52 weeks call it total income £31000

 

Banks loan 3 times salary 3x31 is 93k and you need 10% deposit so 10k

 

This means affordable housing should be 100k if the living wage is a living wage

 

 

 

Or we can do the inverse

Affordable housing 250k

Less 10% deposit 25k is 225k

Divide 3 to get salary require by bank is 75k

So each person needs to earn 37.5k a year

 

Divide 52 to get weekly wage of £720 ish

Divide 37 hours comes out at about £20 an hour

 

So what is it?

Reprice affordable housing or stop calling crap wages living wage

Edited April 15, 2016 by Gmeow

[I1L2T3]

But she isn't - She's managing the taxpayers' money. The taxpayer should not be funding her holiday

.

 

How do you know where the money for the holiday came from. You are making a potentially false assumption there and then judging off the back of it.

[RonJeremy]

This woman is doing everything the government want but has dared to take a holiday

 

It is isn't her who has created an economy of low wages....but she is willing to work for it...pulling pints instead of being at home reading her kids stories and helping with homework...

 

She is willing to work on an insecure zero hours contract

 

It isn't her who has created a crazy housing market where you can't get mortgages on a minimum wage and housing rents have become ridiculous due to 'market forces' of morally bankrupt I'm aL right Jack landlords

 

So she claims the universal credit the government says she is entitled to and incidentally supports many profitable corporations to pay workers low wages

 

How else is she supposed to manage it?

 

Then she might stick £20 a week away for a year to pay for her holiday.....how dare she?

 

She might have saved that £20 by shopping at aldi, not having heating on as much who knows?

 

What do people want for her. 10 to a room workhouse? Gruel for sustenance? 12 hours 6 days and a lecture on being virtuous in Sunday morning?

 

---------- Post added 15-04-2016 at 10:43 ----------

 

The country is a disgrace

 

On one hand we have affordable housing £250 k but a minimum wage of £8 an hour

 

Let's do the maths

 

A couple both work 37 hrs so 74 hours

At £8 an hour ...so £592 called it £600 for 52 weeks call it total income £31000

 

Banks loan 3 times salary 3x31 is 93k and you need 10% deposit so 10k

 

This means affordable housing should be 100k if the living wage is a living wage

 

 

 

Or we can do the inverse

Affordable housing 250k

Less 10% deposit 25k is 225k

Divide 3 to get salary require by bank is 75k

So each person needs to earn 37.5k a year

 

Divide 52 to get weekly wage of £720 ish

Divide 37 hours comes out at about £20 an hour

 

So what is it?

Reprice affordable housing or stop calling crap wages living wage

You're talking *your bold* .

 

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-50789371.html

 

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http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-53792560.html

Need more rooms?

Bit better area, some may feel.

 

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How do you know where the money for the holiday came from. You are making a potentially false assumption there and then judging off the back of it.

 

I don't know where that particular money came from. But on the basis that she is receiving government aid, then some of her money comes from that aid.

 

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http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-50777509.html

Another one.

[I1L2T3]

 

I don't know where that particular money came from. But on the basis that she is receiving government aid, then some of her money comes from that aid.

 

You don't know that. You're making an assumption.

[Berberis]

You don't know that. You're making an assumption.

 

Unless the holiday is paid for via a gift, it's safe to assume it was paid for in part with the money she receives by way of the universal credit.

 

Let's get a few things straight here. This woman is not a full time worker, she averages 30 hours a week per year. That's not full time.

 

Second, she is in receipt of Universal Credit, which is a benefit given to people who cannot support themselves financially. It is not a benefit to be used to pay for holidays. UC is there to help pay for the essentials and a holiday is not an essential.

 

This woman was not forced to look for jobs, but rather there was a meeting scheduled for her to attend. Regular meetings are part of the contract between her the the JobCentre and she had agreed to attend them in order to qualify for the Universal Credit/Benefits. She was fully aware of this requirement when she booked her holiday. Infact they are so regular, she could have booked the holiday in a week she was most likely to not be required to attend the JobCenter. In most cases the meetings are every 2 weeks, unless you are under sanctions or are considered to be not fulfilling your side of the bargain and not looking for work. They can be even more frequent for some, who refuse to work.

 

The result of her actions would be, 1 weeks loss of UC, as for that week, she failed to fulfil her contractual obligation. She was not fined, she was not invoiced. The week she was on holiday (and lets not forget, a holiday is not just the cost of accommodation and flights), she was unable to look for a job that would support her and her family.

 

Its all very simple, the rules are made clear to you when you sign on.

[Gmeow]

You're talking *your bold* .

 

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-50789371.html

 

---------- Post added 15-04-2016 at 10:54 ----------

 

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-53792560.html

Need more rooms?

Bit better area, some may feel.

 

---------- Post added 15-04-2016 at 10:58 ----------

 

 

how are the government definitions of living wage at £8

And affordable housing up to £300k

 

Are they congruent?

Look up the word if you do not know what it means.

 

She is entitled to the credit as the government likes allowing big companies having government contracts....paying rubbish wages to the poor....making big profits

 

Effectively a transfer of money from government to big corporations

It is the system they have created to allow them to syphon money from taxpayers to their mates companies and blame the poor

 

Wake up